Woolwich killing

[Howsie]

I will cite religion too
There has been more people killed in the name of religion than any one disease in the world

Yes indeed. But we've moved on from that so I hardly think that is a relevant point.

 

[SimonG]

never knew that ,
never sure tho if its a good thing tampering with nature sometimes think as nasty as some things are its there for a reason

Very true, especially when the countries affected by Malaria deaths can't feed the population they have now.

 

[Keefy]

This thread has already gone wildly off-topic at times so why not just change the title to the one I proposed? That's if everyone agrees like?

 

[Gray0689]

Yes indeed. But we've moved on from that so I hardly think that is a relevant point.

How have we moved on from that is it not still happening all over the world?????

 

[hammers4spanner]

This thread has already gone wildly off-topic at times so why not just change the title to the one I proposed? That's if everyone agrees like?

what like
'have i got news for you'

 

[Keefy]

what like
'have i got news for you'

Suppose that would be as good a name as any, yes.

 

[Howsie]

so because I've been to EDL marches would you class me as an extremist? Genuine question?
you also believe that people have been brainwashed by the media, I would argue you have to.
as in rather than witness the EDL for yourself and make your own opinion you believe all the rubbish published in the media and make a judgement that way.

just like to say nothing personal with anyone on here but I'm sick of everyone branding everyone that's been with EDL as the same, the majority are good lads, but as always only the negative will get reported, that's what sells the papers.

im English, I've got no problem whatsoever with foreign people of any race or whatever coming here as long as they respect our history and what we hold dear. I was raised to always respect our heroes and it breaks my heart when people are allowed to abuse them

No I wouldn't class you as an extremist. But i base my opinion on what I've read about the EDL what ive been told and what I've seen

I wouldn't go to an EDL meeting as I have no interest in what they stand for and who leads them.

Who are our heros and who abuses them?

 

[Ray Stafford]

I will cite religion too
There has been more people killed in the name of religion than any one disease in the world

If its wasn't religion, it would be something else.

There seems to be something in human nature that makes us essentially tribal, and prone to ganging up with "people like us" to kill, maim, rape and rob "those others".

Religion has been one rallying cry, but there have been others. More recently we have done the same thing in pursuit of political ideology - Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot - they all killed millions. In Mao and Stalin's case, tens of millions. In the past, the likes of Tamerlane and Genghis Khan killed hundreds of thousands and millions respectively, pretty much for just "not being like us".

I don't have the stats to hand, but I think that the plague, malaria, sleeping sickness, spanish flu and cholera have all done their bit to keep the population in check.

 

[Gray0689]

No I wouldn't class you as an extremist. But i base my opinion on what I've read about the EDL what ive been told and what I've seen

I wouldn't go to an EDL meeting as I have no interest in what they stand for and who leads them.

Who are our heros and who abuses them?

The soldiers on there homecoming parades being harassed and verbally abused by Islamic extremists
The soldier brutally butchered by Islamic extremists on a British street

 

[Howsie]

If its wasn't religion, it would be something else.

There seems to be something in human nature that makes us essentially tribal, and prone to ganging up with "people like us" to kill, maim, rape and rob "those others".

Religion has been one rallying cry, but there have been others. More recently we have done the same thing in pursuit of political ideology - Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot - they all killed millions. In Mao and Stalin's case, tens of millions. In the past, the likes of Tamerlane and Genghis Khan killed hundreds of thousands and millions respectively, pretty much for just "not being like us".

I don't have the stats to hand, but I think that the plague, malaria, sleeping sickness, spanish flu and cholera have all done their bit to keep the population in check.

Malaria and diarrhoea are the two biggest killers I believe.

 

[Howsie]

The soldiers on there homecoming parades being harassed and verbally abused by Islamic extremists
The soldier brutally butchered by Islamic extremists on a British street

This is the extreme and is unacceptable but are you really more concerned about this or

1) we pay nurses a pittance
2) are old people cant get enough heat in their homes in the winter
3) we have more homeless service people on our streets than ever
4) loads of other things

We tend to focus on the wrong things, mainly encouraged by the media.

 

[Howsie]

FYI https://m.************/note.php?note_id=574430655911054

 

[Howsie]

Which be https://www.************/note.php?note_id=574430655911054

 

[Keefy]

Everyone should stop what they're doing for just a second and take a look at what the British government are doing while everyone is distracted by this soldier killing incident.

They love nothing more than for you to be distracted while they go about 'their business'.

 

[Howsie]

That is the truth.

 

[Howsie]

To add you name to Edinburgh UAF statement please
Email: [email protected]
Or "Like" this statement on fb

JOIN THE UNITE AGAINST FASCISM DEMONSTRATION
“WE STAND TOGETHER”
1pm Saturday, 1 June at the Scottish Parliament

Below is a statement on the recent murder in Woolwich and details of a despicable protest organised by the Scottish Defence League. Please forward and share this information.

Unite Against Fascism-Edinburgh sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.

Despicably, racist and fascist organisations such as the Scottish and English Defence Leagues are trying to use this tragedy to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.

We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few. We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold all white British people collectively responsible for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for the attack in Woolwich.

The Scottish Defence League (SDL) have organised a protest to try to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing, they do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community.

We stand together to oppose the SDL protest outside Scottish parliament on Saturday 1 June.

 

[Gray0689]

This is the extreme and is unacceptable but are you really more concerned about this or

1) we pay nurses a pittance
2) are old people cant get enough heat in their homes in the winter
3) we have more homeless service people on our streets than ever
4) loads of other things

We tend to focus on the wrong things, mainly encouraged by the media.

We wasn't taking about them

 

[Howsie]

This interests me: http://youtu.be/uG-01A_Yfdg

 

[Howsie]

We wasn't taking about them

Exactly but they are all a bigger problem than what has just happened but we don't care.

 

[Keefy]

This interests me: A Message from Anonymous UK to the English Defense League - YouTube

https://twitter.com/Operation__EDL

 

[zeebeedee]

https://twitter.com/Operation__EDL

Class lets hope they get whats coming!

 

[nickelarsed]

The EDL are giving Muslim extremists exactly what they want by taking the bait. Division is what they are seeking, division is what they are causing. Of course all the people that jump on the anti fascist bandwagon, who by the way are every bit as bad as the edl when it comes down to it are just doing exactly the same thing.
You don't put out a fire by giving it fuel.

 

[Killy Bing]

I like trees.................

and pancakes......everyone likes pancakes.....

 

[Howsie]

I don't agree with this personally.

 

[nickelarsed]

I don't agree with this personally.

probably the single most retarded thing I've seen done since this started. If those people, their houses or their families get attacked then things will kick off big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.