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Just had a dodgy builder install a hot water tank using a plumber who isn't G3 certified. They then got g3 gas Safe registered engineer commission it, but it doesn't meet building regs (wrong discharge pipe, plastic not metal) and he didn't register it with building control. Any ideas who I can report this guy to? Gas Safe aren't interested as it didn't break gas legislation (though they are going after the builder for illegal gas installation).


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nick.batchelor said:
3 gas safe engineers with G3 qualifications (including the regional gas safe inspector). Basically the discharge pipe is bog standard plastic and not metal / high heat resistant plastic and they didn't register with building regs. Plus the pipework for the metal pipework from the turndish has a bend in it apparently.
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Alex Miller said:
Have you already paid for the installation?
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Haven't paid the builder fully get, but that was just one of the many f*** ups they did. Really more concerned about the dodgy G3 guy who filled in the commission paperwork, but crossed out the section for the build regs cert and failed to register it. I know gas safe will be talking to him re the dodgy gas work he came to inspect and left us with without telling us it was completely illegal and unsafe, but wondered if I need to report to someone for G3 or just trading standards?
 
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Craig Watson said:
What plastic has been used? You can use waste pipe so long as it's adequately clipped.
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3.57 The discharge pipe (D2) should be made of: (a) metal; or (b) other material that has been demonstrated to be capable of safely withstanding temperatures of the water discharged and is clearly and permanently marked to identify the product and performance standard (e.g. as specified in the relevant part of BS 7291- 1:2006 Thermostatic pipes and fittings for hot and cold water for domestic purposes and heating installations in buildings. General requirements).
 
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Chuck said:
3.57 The discharge pipe (D2) should be made of: (a) metal; or (b) other material that has been demonstrated to be capable of safely withstanding temperatures of the water discharged and is clearly and permanently marked to identify the product and performance standard (e.g. as specified in the relevant part of BS 7291- 1:2006 Thermostatic pipes and fittings for hot and cold water for domestic purposes and heating installations in buildings. General requirements).
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Yup; had 3 G3 qualified engineers confirm that ain't the case
 
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Chuck said:
3.57 The discharge pipe (D2) should be made of: (a) metal; or (b) other material that has been demonstrated to be capable of safely withstanding temperatures of the water discharged and is clearly and permanently marked to identify the product and performance standard (e.g. as specified in the relevant part of BS 7291- 1:2006 Thermostatic pipes and fittings for hot and cold water for domestic purposes and heating installations in buildings. General requirements).
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What's your point?
 
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Craig Watson said:
What plastic has been used? You can use waste pipe so long as it's adequately clipped.
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Unf you cannot use just any pipe as the D2. It must be able to stand appropriate temps for the designated periods. The correct pipe has a special designation. There is currently much debate over whether an internal soil stack can take hi temps for long periods.

The 'test' is nothing like one could even imagine as a worst case scenario...
 
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YorkshireDave said:
Unf you cannot use just any pipe as the D2. It must be able to stand appropriate temps for the designated periods. The correct pipe has a special designation. There is currently much debate over whether an internal soil stack can take hi temps for long periods.

The 'test' is nothing like one could even imagine as a worst case scenario...
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There's no question that it didn't meet building regs. Just wondering if there is an equivalent to gas safety register for G3 installs that I can report him to?
 
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YorkshireDave said:
Unf you cannot use just any pipe as the D2. It must be able to stand appropriate temps for the designated periods. The correct pipe has a special designation. There is currently much debate over whether an internal soil stack can take hi temps for long periods.

The 'test' is nothing like one could even imagine as a worst case scenario...
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There's no question that it didn't meet building regs. Just wondering if there is an equivalent to gas safety register for G3 installs that I can report him to?
 
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nick.batchelor said:
Any ideas who I can report this guy to? Gas Safe aren't interested as it didn't break gas legislation (though they are going after the builder for illegal gas installation)
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Seems to me you are convinced you have all the answers so I am at a loss as to why you come here.

You have done your bit by involving gas safe and patently local building control are involved too. There is nothing we can add to that or frankly would wish to. We are not there so we cannot comment other than to tut our way through your tale of woe.

Good luck.
 
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YorkshireDave said:
Unf you cannot use just any pipe as the D2. It must be able to stand appropriate temps for the designated periods. The correct pipe has a special designation. There is currently much debate over whether an internal soil stack can take hi temps for long periods.

The 'test' is nothing like one could even imagine as a worst case scenario...
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no arguments with that but currently you can use waste pipe as the d2 discharge, needs to be polypropylene and manufactured to en 1451 which we now know op's doesn't conform to this but my post was before we found that out :rolleyes:
 
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nick.batchelor said:
Really was only wondering if there is a body like gas safe that covers hot water tank installs as gas safe don't get involved in that. Local building control are involved at this stage
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Unfortunately there isn't unless the person who installed it is registered under a Competent Persons Scheme which they won't be.
If you paid the builder for the work to install the cylinder you will need to go back to them for redress as they would / should be aware that the installation falls under AD Part G (3) & it is notifiable.
If you paid for it yourself then you didn't carry out the due diligent tests to ensure that the person carrying out the work was competent to do so, unfortunately it will be down to you to get it corrected & notified as you are the house owner.
 
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