Damsel in distress!!!!! ;-)

[kerry]

Hi!...Thanks for that Mark, I really do appreciate any help with this....ye, you obv have them sussed...MUPPETS is the right word! However, getting them to do something is a joke and I really don't know how to make them because they won't accept that it is the boiler that is at fault! I'm possibly gona have to up this a gear maybe and demand to speak to someone there in charge! I'm literally filling the system back up every two days and have been doing this for months! Thanks again buddy, Kerry

 

[Blackcatgas]

What pressure are you refilling it to Kerry?, and what does the guage read when the heatings been on full for an hour or 2 ?.

 

[kerry]

Hiya!...I fill it to approx 1 1/2 when I fill it....it goes up to roughly between 2 1/2 and 3 when been on ages!.....;-)

 

[Blackcatgas]

Hiya!...I fill it to approx 1 1/2 when I fill it....it goes up to roughly between 2 1/2 and 3 when been on ages!.....;-)

3 is the pre set pressure that a prv will blow off/open slightly and drip.
there should be a scrhader (sp) type valve like on your push bike tyres on your expansion vessel, take a reading off this, if its low, repressure to what it says on vessel, it will be somthing like 1.2 bar.
If the vessel has broken it wont hold the pressure.
I dont know how easy it is to change the exp vessel in the type of boiler you have, some require you to de mount the boiler, if this is the case put in an external one, also while your at it change the prv for a fresh one as they are hard to clean out properly without taking them apart and you shouldnt really take any prv apart in the first place (weve all done it from time to time though).
Also you should always fill the boiler to the manufactures level, this will always be the same as the charge mr Worcester,Mr glowworm etc has put into the vessel at the factory.
CDS post explains what happens when the expansion vessel is shot (post 22)

 

[kerry]

me again!... thanks for that! will get my dad to check tomorrow when he comes!....once the pressure was as high as just over 4 on the gauge!....I read in the manual that it is supposed to have an automatic cut out on the boiler at 4 but it didnt!!!!!......I really am having a nightmare with Homeserve over this....they've even told me not to bother them again about a problem that isnt down to the boiler!!!!!! :-
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[Blackcatgas]

me again!... thanks for that! will get my dad to check tomorrow when he comes!....once the pressure was as high as just over 4 on the gauge!....I read in the manual that it is supposed to have an automatic cut out on the boiler at 4 but it didnt!!!!!......I really am having a nightmare with Homeserve over this....they've even told me not to bother them again about a problem that isnt down to the boiler!!!!!! :-
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2.5 bar is a high reading, if the reading gets to 4 bar I can almost garentee that your expansion vessel is shot, unless you have alot of radiators that is.

 

[kerry]

oh, is it?!.... there's 11 radiators in the house.....don't know if you'd consider that to be a lot! thank you for helping me! ;-
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[Blackcatgas]

oh, is it?!.... there's 11 radiators in the house.....don't know if you'd consider that to be a lot! thank you for helping me! ;-
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If it they are all big ones they could have put a strain on the exp vessel, expansion vessels only have a certain life, might need to put in a bigger exp vessel to cope although unless they are all very big rads I doubt it.they dont like bieng full of hot water under pressure even though thats what they are designed to do.
Ps can you draw a portrait of my cat?.

 

[kerry]

I reckon 7 of them are big, the others not tiny but not huge!......ye, can do other animals as well as dogs. The pic has to be no smaller than 6 x 4" and good quality so I can capture the detail well!......;-)

 

[Blackcatgas]

I reckon 7 of them are big, the others not tiny but not huge!......ye, can do other animals as well as dogs. The pic has to be no smaller than 6 x 4" and good quality so I can capture the detail well!......;-)

I havent got any pictures hes very camera shy, I can describe him to you, He is black, has big fluffy cheeks and a big fat face like his dad (me!), Id like one of him smoking a small ceruit.

 

[kerry]

......and a ceruit is a??????????? lol

 

[Blackcatgas]

......and a ceruit is a??????????? lol

The cheroot or stogie is a cylindrical cigar with both ends clipped during manufacture. Since cheroots do not taper, they are inexpensive to roll mechanically, and their low cost makes them particularly popular.

 

[kerry]

lol....well, ive had some requests for paintings in my time but I can honestly say that's a first! lol

 

[quality]

As my first post suggested the expansion vessel,I still have no doubt that this be the cause of your trouble , weather its burst or has no pressure it has still got to be the culprit - however if you have a large house with large rads an external vessel may need to be installed as sombody as allready suggested --- 7 % volume expansion of the top of my head - has your system always been like this or has it just recently started#


I gonna get a job with homeserve get paid bugger all do bugger all, its the monkeys and peanuts thing

 

[kerry]

hiya!....the boiler is approx just over 12 months old and it first started about a month after we had it installed!.....all the guy did was come out from Glow worm and filled the loop and turned the boiler back on! he didnt do anything else because I watched him!.....then, a couple of months went by and it now does it ever couple of days!....Ye, I realise what you're saying about Homeserve Plumbers but the thing is that Ive paid insurance for them to sort this out and they're not!.....gona have to give it one last shot and maybe ask to speak to someone in authority there and if that fails, cancel the policy and pay a Plumber! thanks buddy ;-)

 

[Blackcatgas]

Vaillant boilers are owned by glow worm, vaillant use homeserve to repair new boilers within thier warentee period.

 

[kerry]

I see!....why is it then that not one of them has been able to rectify the problem if they're fully qualified?....I just don't understand it at all!......surely, they're not just being particularly awkward! thanks ;-)

 

[Blackcatgas]

I see!....why is it then that not one of them has been able to rectify the problem if they're fully qualified?....I just don't understand it at all!......surely, they're not just being particularly awkward! thanks ;-)

Luck of the draw Kerry, like any firm eg British gas, get somone who 18mnths ago worked in a bank or get some old boy whos worked on gas all his life.
Find a decent local plumber who you like and trust and stop paying homeserve the monthly payments, or do what mrs Blackcatgas did and marry him.

 

[kerry]

lol!....;-)

so....any rough idea of what we're talking about in terms of cost if i got a reputable Plumber out if it was the expansion vessel for instance?....sorry, I know Im a nightmare! lol

 

[kerry]

hi again....could do with all your help just one more time on this subject guys if you dont mind!

was still having the problems and still having no luck with Homeserve! ye, no surprise!

So, I decided to try and get to the bottom of this prob once and for all!

I turned down all the rads from heat setting 5 down to number 3. Some of the upstairs ones were already on 3 but you get the picture! Also, I havent used the hot water at all for a whole week now and the pressure hasnt dropped one bit so the boiler didnt go off! yeah!!!!!!....what I dont know though is what does this mean in terms of which part is now faulty? Expansion valve thing or is it now something else?

I know you prob sick of me but PLEEEEEEEEEASE HELP if you can!

I want to ring them back up and ask to speak to someone in charge at Homeserve because to say ive had enough would be an understatement!

Any help you can give me will be soooooooo appreciated!

Thanks guys!, Kerry ;-)

 

[quality]

The boiler probably has not heated the water enough to cause it to expand and increase the pressure so I would still suggest the expansion vessel in at fault however it may simply just needs re - pressurizing as opposed to replacing hth

 

[kerry]

oh thanks!...you don't think it might be the thermostat part gone on the boiler then? Ive looked at the glow worm site and it says the part costs approx £350 and it made me wonder if Homeserve just didnt want to cough up! Kerry

 

[peteh20]

send me an email with your number it will be easier for me to talk to you and give you direction [email protected]

 

[kerry]

have emailed you number....whenever is convenient for you, no rush!

thanks for that Pete....really appreciate your help! will keep you posted! ;-)

 

[fuzzy]

hi,Im Kerry and Im hoping somebody could shed some light on my current situation! 3 differnt plumbers have been out to my glow worm combi boiler over the last few weeks but the problem is still occuring! the pressure on my boiler drops to 1 and then shuts down. the first plumber said that a valve was really dirty and dirty water was going outside through the copper pipe. anyway, he cleaned it and said the problem was sorted. wrong! a couple of days after that the same thing happend and so on and so on! the last plumber that came said there was nothing wrong with the boiler and that the only other way we could be loosing pressure would be through a leak in the system. He asked me if there were any pipes under floors downstairs and he said no, then he said that it couldnt be that then because a leak of that amount of water every couple of days would be apparent! then, before he left he said that it must be in the system somewhere!!!! I am so confused because first they tell me one thing and then they tell me something different and I just dont know what to think. I live here alone and cant afford to get a plumber out to test the system. to be honest, I dont think there is a leak, I still think its the boiler! there isnt any water going outside from the copper pipe any more but there is another pipe upstairs at the other side of the house and the pipe does go to the boiler but none of the plumbers have mentioned this! during the summer I could hear a constant dripping sound through this pipe and wonder could that be the problem maybe? can any of you possibly help me with this problem because I dont know what else to do! home serve say the boiler isnt at fault and I am certain there isnt a leak anywhere so where do I go from there? today the same thing happend again as I knew it would and I have had to fill the system up yet again. I must have done this at least 20 times now over the months and im not getting the problem resolved! are they right in what they are telling me? does any body else have other ideas perhaps that havent been mentioned to me? I really hope so! I wouldnt ask but I really am at a loss! thanks guys

They normally shut down at around half a bar not one? You can often set it at 1 when cold. obviously when it warms up the pressure increases. The pressure vessel is there to accomodate the expanded water. If it is broken then it over pressurises and the pressure relief valve will release all the expanded water. Then when it cools down it will be too low and a safety feature will not allow the boiler to fire again.

YOU need to fill to 1 bar cold. turn the boiler on at full heat and watch the presusre gauge. Does it creep up to over 3 bar? that will tell me alot. Let me know what happens. It will take 30minutes of your time to watch it heat up. Good luck and post your findings