Right, the Plumber from Homeserve/Glow Worm has just been and once again im left disgusted with his apparent lack of Plumbing knowledge! He tested the PRV, Expansion Vessel and Heat exchanger and said they were all ok. When I asked him what he thought the prob could possibly be he said I havent a clue to be honest!. He did tell me that the none return valve on the filling loop is faulty and when he removed it a load of water came out like one of you suggested it might if that was faulty! He didnt seem to know much more about that and if when we replace it would it rectify my problem? He spoke to a colleague of his on the phone and he told him to reduce boiler shut down pressure to 1 bar because it has been going off at 1 1/4. But, get this! He didnt have a clue how to reduce the pressure and the phone a friend had to explain!!!!!!! he phoned him up on several occasions asking advice! As you can imagine I didnt have any confidence in this guy at all! Then, when hed done that he was going to leave and told me he would come back to do a test on the system to make sure it isnt that that was leaking but could I wait a month to call him back because otherwise theyd note it down that he had failed to sort the prob if we called him back before thirty days! he also suggested that it would be warmer then to not have the heating on which I agree with but this wasnt his proper reason behind him suggesting that! He was just getting in his van when I noticed that the outside copper pipe was chucking water out! I called him back and he made it blatantly obvious he wasnt happy! I said, why dont you just replace the expansion vessel because we have had a prob with it previously but he just said lets just see how it goes and if you're still getting the boiler prob after ive reduced the pressure and youve put a new filling loop on just ring up and ill come back and do it then! From the help you guys have been giving me I honestly believe I know more about this than that excuse for a Plumber does and im not kidding! So, once again im picking your brains! lol.....because when he removed the filling loop there was water coming out could this have been a possible cause for the pressure dropping on the boiler and shutting off? I asked him what his opinion was about this and he said, to be honest I really dont have a clue!!!!!!!!....If you're reading this Pete, thanks for your kind help and you were right about the possiblility of water in the filling loop, nice one and thanks for taking the time to ring and explain all this to me but also, thanks to all of you genius's out there, I wouldnt have been able to hold my own talking about expansion vessels, prv's, heat exchangers etc if you hadnt all of helped me! Its been like hitting my head up against a brick wall, it really has! Im kind of hoping that replacing the filling loop will sort the prob but would appreciate any views on this when you have a spare minute! thanks again, Kerry ;-)