Election poll...who will win vote now!

[Duker996]

In an ideal world we'd take a part from each party and have a super party that would please most people.......if only!

 

[REDSAW]

They haven't been able to as have been scared of the outcry,....now they ARE doing it via the back door

yeh, a bit like when they closed down the pits. it was all a lead up and strike from behind whilst concentration was on other things.
then car industry, british telecom, the post office................ fill in the blanks.
the nhs will be so overly stretched through imigration, the ding bats will come up with a farce excuse to make us all have private medical insurance.....and keep the national insurance contributions to prop up the government.:ack2:

 

[hammers4spanner]

saw more drunks in england to be honest. But thats a deflection from the REAL problems
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How can anyone say we are better of under these clowns?????:ack2:

food price rises??? er lidl's

 

[Duker996]

food price rises??? er lidl's

Don't forget Aldi!!

 

[Ray Stafford]

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This is a really good example of what gets on my nerves.

Vovoid - please don't take offence, I could equally well pull apart claims from the other side, but the food-bank claim is just such a great example.

So, we have one million people using foodbanks do we? That sounds terrible!

Well, sort of.

You need to delve into the figures.

That claim comes from the Trussell Trust, who operate the largest group of foodbanks in the UK - probably a bit more than half the total.

And when pressed, they confirmed that actually, they hadn't served a million people. They had slightly less than 1 million visits, and doled out enough food to keep 1.1 million people fed for 3 days.

Buts thats still a lot, isn't it?

Well, sort of.

There are 64 million people in the UK, and there are 365 days in a year. So to feed the population, we need roughly 23,360,000,000 person/days worth of food per year.

Even if you double the Trussell trusts figures, 6,600,000 of these have been provided by food banks.

Divide one into the other, and you find that:

Of every 3,539 person days of food required, 3,538 are provided either by the individual themselves (or their parents in the case of children) through their own economic activity, or via state provided benefits.

1 of every 3,539 days worth of food is provided by a foodbank. Tops. And that's chicken-poop.

And whilst foodbanks are a new thing, charities supplying food are not. They used to be called soup-kitchens, workers welfare clubs, private meals-on-wheels, church lunch clubs, and a whole host of other names. Back in my 20's, I used to work for one. It simply isn't a story.

But that's not what is pee-ing me off. Whats getting on my nerves is this:

Ed Milliband, Ed Balls and all the rest of them know this. They have research teams and analysts and all sorts of resources and opportunities to say so. But because the misconception suits them, they permit the lie to go unchallenged.

David Cameron, George Osbourne and the rest of them also know this. They also have research teams and analystst and resources and press opportunities. But they don't nail the lie, because they know that after the media had finished with it, all the public would remember is "Tories = Foodbanks = bad".

And so the lie continues unchallenged.

And as I said at the beginning, I could have done the same take-down of at least 3/4 of the points in Vovoids poster, OR THE OTHER SIDE. They are both guilty of this.

Its very, very sad.

 

[Masood]

Its very, very sad.

It's what politics has become, though. Ask not what I can do for this country and society, ask only how I can demean my opponent. To paraphrase somewhat...

 

[REDSAW]

This is a really good example of what gets on my nerves.

Vovoid - please don't take offence, I could equally well pull apart claims from the other side, but the food-bank claim is just such a great example.

So, we have one million people using foodbanks do we? That sounds terrible!

Well, sort of.

You need to delve into the figures.

That claim comes from the Trussell Trust, who operate the largest group of foodbanks in the UK - probably a bit more than half the total.

And when pressed, they confirmed that actually, they hadn't served a million people. They had slightly less than 1 million visits, and doled out enough food to keep 1.1 million people fed for 3 days.

Buts thats still a lot, isn't it?

Well, sort of.

There are 64 million people in the UK, and there are 365 days in a year. So to feed the population, we need roughly 23,360,000,000 person/days worth of food per year.

Even if you double the Trussell trusts figures, 6,600,000 of these have been provided by food banks.

Divide one into the other, and you find that:

Of every 3,539 person days of food required, 3,538 are provided either by the individual themselves (or their parents in the case of children) through their own economic activity, or via state provided benefits.

1 of every 3,539 days worth of food is provided by a foodbank. Tops. And that's chicken-poop.

And whilst foodbanks are a new thing, charities supplying food are not. They used to be called soup-kitchens, workers welfare clubs, private meals-on-wheels, church lunch clubs, and a whole host of other names. Back in my 20's, I used to work for one. It simply isn't a story.

But that's not what is pee-ing me off. Whats getting on my nerves is this:

Ed Milliband, Ed Balls and all the rest of them know this. They have research teams and analysts and all sorts of resources and opportunities to say so. But because the misconception suits them, they permit the lie to go unchallenged.

David Cameron, George Osbourne and the rest of them also know this. They also have research teams and analystst and resources and press opportunities. But they don't nail the lie, because they know that after the media had finished with it, all the public would remember is "Tories = Foodbanks = bad".

And so the lie continues unchallenged.

And as I said at the beginning, I could have done the same take-down of at least 3/4 of the points in Vovoids poster, OR THE OTHER SIDE. They are both guilty of this.

Its very, very sad.

all comes down to ones 'life-experience' ray...
not too many years ago, i indeed nearly had to visit a food bank despite on paper (bonds, locked/trust accounts etc) i am a m....wealthy! but skint, if that makes sense?

unless, at least one of those claims will account for each person in one way or another, then thats just propaganda!!

 

[Gray0689]

This is a really good example of what gets on my nerves.

Vovoid - please don't take offence, I could equally well pull apart claims from the other side, but the food-bank claim is just such a great example.

So, we have one million people using foodbanks do we? That sounds terrible!

Well, sort of.

You need to delve into the figures.

That claim comes from the Trussell Trust, who operate the largest group of foodbanks in the UK - probably a bit more than half the total.

And when pressed, they confirmed that actually, they hadn't served a million people. They had slightly less than 1 million visits, and doled out enough food to keep 1.1 million people fed for 3 days.

Buts thats still a lot, isn't it?

Well, sort of.

There are 64 million people in the UK, and there are 365 days in a year. So to feed the population, we need roughly 23,360,000,000 person/days worth of food per year.

Even if you double the Trussell trusts figures, 6,600,000 of these have been provided by food banks.

Divide one into the other, and you find that:

Of every 3,539 person days of food required, 3,538 are provided either by the individual themselves (or their parents in the case of children) through their own economic activity, or via state provided benefits.

1 of every 3,539 days worth of food is provided by a foodbank. Tops. And that's chicken-poop.

And whilst foodbanks are a new thing, charities supplying food are not. They used to be called soup-kitchens, workers welfare clubs, private meals-on-wheels, church lunch clubs, and a whole host of other names. Back in my 20's, I used to work for one. It simply isn't a story.

But that's not what is pee-ing me off. Whats getting on my nerves is this:

Ed Milliband, Ed Balls and all the rest of them know this. They have research teams and analysts and all sorts of resources and opportunities to say so. But because the misconception suits them, they permit the lie to go unchallenged.

David Cameron, George Osbourne and the rest of them also know this. They also have research teams and analystst and resources and press opportunities. But they don't nail the lie, because they know that after the media had finished with it, all the public would remember is "Tories = Foodbanks = bad".

And so the lie continues unchallenged.

And as I said at the beginning, I could have done the same take-down of at least 3/4 of the points in Vovoids poster, OR THE OTHER SIDE. They are both guilty of this.

Its very, very sad.

What he said ^^^^^^

RAY no wonder your a MD deffo the gift of the gab

I will vote for Mr Stafford

 

[Ray Stafford]

saw more drunks in england to be honest. But thats a deflection from the REAL problems
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How can anyone say we are better of under these clowns?????:ack2:

Another wee chuckle. Without even thinking about it:

The poster mentions pension retirement age increasing. I wonder if it refers to the 2007 Labour government pension act which ... increased the retirement age...?
It mentions a pension sell off, when the biggest damage to pensions in living memory was done by Gordon Brown
It mentions "cash for peerages." - hang on... it was Tony Blair and his fundraiser Lord Levy that were interviewed by the police for that. It was a labour scandal, not a Tory one
It mentions the expenses scandal which exploded in 2009 on Labour's watch
Fewer teachers? Actually the stats show that there is a small increase in the number of teachers in England, but a decrease in the number of teachers in (devolved) Scotland.
Fewer nurses? Well, the NHS stats show 18,000 more nurses in 2014 than in 2004.

Its just a list of bad things that the writer hopes the public will associate with politicians, and attempts to connect them with the Tories.

Complete tosh!

And FFS, its not like the tories haven't given their opponents enough ammunition. You don't need to make up bad things about them!

 

[drip-dry]

the banner is one big wind up...even the barbers appear to have gotten in on the act !!..very poor attempt at a cover up...

 

[Ray Stafford]

They haven't been able to as have been scared of the outcry,....now they ARE doing it via the back door

Vovoid, if you think that Mrs T was afraid of causing an outcry, you lived though a different 1980s to me.

The real loser out of this has been the NHS and its users (us!).

There is absolutely no question that the NHS was the envy of the world back in the 1950s and 60s. Maybe even the 70s.

Equally, there is absolutely no question that now we aren't even in the top 20 of global healthcare systems. We are beaten by both Cuba at one end of the spectrum and Singapore at the other.

And the reason that the NHS has not maintained its world-leading status is that the Tories can't afford to propose a serious change for fear of being roasted by Labour, and Labour daren't permit any change or they will lose the stick with which they love to beat the Tories. So we are stuck with a system conceived in the 1930s and implemented in the 1940s. Imagine if we had to drive cars of the same vintage!

And the price of this mutual political football match is paid by the patients.

 

[Nostrum]

UKIP will get my vote on the hope that it continues to shake up the major parties. I can see Farage going soon and I think if the party carry on gaining momentum they may actually become useful.

That said, if we get Labour, we're in for a rough ride I reckon! Particularly if the SNP are involved!

 

[voivod]

Remember the most important thing about today's VOTE people......

Vote labour n Katie Hopkins WILL leave the UK.
that's enough reason to vote out the tories
Hae a great day folks

 

[Dotty]

If that's the only incentive to vote then British politics truly are in a sad place.

 

[hammers4spanner]

UKIP will get my vote on the hope that it continues to shake up the major parties. I can see Farage going soon and I think if the party carry on gaining momentum they may actually become useful.

That said, if we get Labour, we're in for a rough ride I reckon! Particularly if the SNP are involved!

UKIP are getting my vote
I notice that a lot of UKIP scanners and signs are on show around here .

 

[Stanios]

Conservatives biggest argument is "Vote for us or country will crash and burn." Its as if we were a third world country in the middle of a civil war before they came in. So they saved the economy right? More like saved the rich paying millions in tax and saved them from bearing any burden of the recession, graciously passing it on to the rest us. An economy that benefits few and opresses the rest isnt something to be proud of

 

[SimonG]

Its interesting, the scores on the doors are definitely not what I expected to see.

 

[voivod]

If that's the only incentive to vote then British politics truly are in a sad place.

Was a joke

 

[joni os]

Who ever wins I still got to go to work tomorrow.

 

[SimonG]

Was a joke

Bit like labour then

 

[Best]

Labour are supposed to be for the working man?
That's a joke as their MPs are largely very wealthy - Tony Blair as just one example.

I hate the childish behaviour of all these MPs in parliament. Why they can't change the boring routine amazes me! If this behaviour and wasted time was happening in the boardroom of a big company then there would have to be a lot thrown out of their jobs, - so why can people get on like idiots when running an entire country?
I can't help thinking of the pounds adding up each second when I watch all the idiots in suits in any of our local parliaments. Getting paid for sitting nodding & laughing.
No matter what anyone thinks of Farage and his party, he has made many good common sense points and facts that all need answering.

 

[SimonG]

Just sick of every body trying to ram their point of view down my throat. Big fella now, I can look at the pros and cons and make a decision myself.

All these dont vote ukip, dont vote tory, dont vote labour, dont vote liberal. Its all so negative. Its just a shame the parties cant focus on their own plans a d crack on.

Ideally I would take bits from all and that would do it.

Soon be over thank feck.

 

[dsmart]

Snp

 

[gasmanrob]

Its interesting, the scores on the doors are definitely not what I expected to see.

I'm not so surprised by them. We're all in the same job earning relatively similar incomes mainly similar aspirations and many either have run or are running a business.

I'd expected to see more votes for labour in here to be honest given conservative un popularity north of the Watford gap.

 

[rpm]

I'd expected to see more votes for labour in here to be honest given conservative un popularity north of the Watford gap.

Yeah me too rob, otherwise pretty much what I expected but only 48 members have bothered to vote!