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Didn't vote. I don't see the point of voting in a referendum that was actioned by a party I don't support! Also, unless I ever see some real facts, how can I make an educated decision?!?!

Also, most of the "outs" are the normal working class people (I consider myself in this), and a lot the "ins" are the people of higher standing. Almost seems like we are being fed an idea of a democratic decision whereas we are actually just playing into their hands.....

Or have I been reading too much Orwell.........
 
the referendum was initiated by the people that is why it has taken so long, the results of which will not make any immediate impact (apart from interest rates) because it is just an internal vote the act of leaving (if the out vote wins) will take many years, I for one am an IN for many reasons, the problems we have are nothing to do with European law makers, the law of the land are at fault, we could make prison fit the crime but we don't, the majority (over 95%) of crimes are committed by white brits, its just that the media can write about the stories that get the masses going, there are exceptions......there are more British scroungers than foreigners on the dole, we could not survive without migrant workers also I know many non brits that have come here and have had 2 or 3 cleaning jobs going to keep their heads above water all of them have a higher degree or masters or PHD! and do the meanial until they get/got the job in their field! their Brit born equivalent wouldn't bother, theyd just go and claim, Europe is a great place its just run by @ankers, THE euro is crap but we were never going there anyway, if we are in Europe and had the right politicians we could manage the continent better as it happens our political system is bankrupt, Boris for president, here endeth the sermon, probably should not have logged in after all of those Irish black stouts!
 
Spanish said:
just tried to read that and by **** it hard work and probably doesn't make much sense
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I managed to read it all and it did make sense. :smile:
You have got to admit to two major flaws with remaining, - anyone and everyone has the right to come from any part of Europe and we can't prevent that if we stay in.
Money going into Europe from uk is much more than we get in return.
And maybe I should include a third point, - Europe is in decline
 
I did right another sermon but thought better of it.

as I understand it we can but don't manage our borders, we could easily within Europe have a card system similar to Aus/USA...but we don't! we never signed up to the Shengen convention and kept our opt out, so as far as the EU treaties goes we could brick up the gates and remain in Europe

As for paying monies to EU yep agreed, but we pay more to non eu countries in foreign aid and loans

The real problem is that we do not have a political system that is fit for purpose there is no difference between the "parties" (always thought that terminology fitted what they appear to do) instead of harping on about history and acting like children being paid a salary and a daily rate! there should be representative government for the people by the people.
 
We are Out then. Noe the question is whether Cameron stays as prime minister given his titanic failure on the most essential topic his party cared about
 
its a majority vote for England but not Scotland and Ireland so looks like we are on our own
 
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its a majority vote for England but not Scotland and Ireland so looks like we are on our own
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Well they can stuff that as Scotland had a referendum about leaving us and breaking up the UK,we as England may have wanted them to stay.They can like and lump the result as we were omitted from their referendum.
 
I voted out and it's a decision that will probably come back and bite me very very hard. Prepare yourselves.
 
This is the result of our last few governments not listening the people.
Edit, - prime minister David Cameron has just announced he will quit
 
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I Cameron wants to, " steady the ship", he should start by throwing overboard all those who predicted doom and gloom if we Brexit. Osborne's warnings and threat of austerity budget makes him first on the list.
 
APPlumbing said:
So how will this effect the average working man then?
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I voted out but I am worried about my future as self employed, I feel it could go 1 of 2 ways in the near future

1) we will go through a certain amount of time of uncertainty in which work will slow down as nobody knows what will happen in the future so will be less forward in spending there money. It depends on how long this uncertainty goes on for will depend on if I can survive or if I would have to look for work.

2) people will expect a price rise in materials and will try and get things sorted Asap.

Unfortunately I think it will be number 1.

On the other hand according to papers this morning France and Holland are apparently calling for referendums and Italy are calling for a referendum on the euro. This could change everything entirely. If 3 countries have spoken out already how many more will follow?
 
I am hoping the EU, as it exists at present, will collapse shortly and that will mean we are all the same.
On a plus side, - shares will highly likely drop now. Wait until they get very low and buy some.
 
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