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sheff paul
If that is the case every house built over the past 10 years wont be covered in Western Australia,cannot do as much damage as overhere the majority of builds there are one storey,concrete slab and the bathrooms have a tiled floor with a floor gulley fitted,Aus plumbers wont go back to the dark days of brazing under basin cabinets
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kirkgas
As the above comment is your opinion it cannot be wrong, however the comment you are commenting on is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it, it honestly isn't a "superiority complex" it is a simple statement about my long learned plumbing skills, there isn't a place you can fit a flexi that I can't fit a pipe, I've heard too many horror stories about them failing and having "like a pound of mince" as we say up here, I prefer pipes to flexis, I don't have a problem with properly fitted plastic where it is beneficial but I just don't like doing things the lazy way, as I've been taught to do them properly, if that comes across as arrogant it isn't meant to,
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kirkgas
If we fit two baths, both with taps on the long side at the back, which I don't like for the reasons you stated, what's the difference to the guy coming to fix them if one is hard piped and one is done with flexis? There is still the issue with access and I firmly believe there is more chance of the one done with flexis leaking before the one in copper and end feed fittings, it isn't about my ego it's about my professional integrity and my endeavour to do the job to the best of my ability
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kirkgas
What is the benefit in fitting a flexi over a pipe? It is more likely to fail, and reduces the flow to the tap
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lame plumber
$48000 worth of damage fm 1 flexi....................
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lame plumber
funny thing I note is that they dont teach anyone how to pipe up baths and basins at college using flexis, must be a reason for that!
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kirkgas
There isn't any point in teaching apprentices to fit flexis there's no skill or effort required it is simply the easy option
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sheff paul
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Under no circumstance will I fit a flexi under a bath. For a start, I have seen the damage they can cause over time, especially the hot side of it. If I quote for a bath tap replacement, then on removing the panel, find that the current taps are fitted with flexi, I curse my luck and redo in copper pipe but just foot the extra labour cost. In some cases, I tell the customer in advance that if I find flexis are fitted, I will charge extra to replace.
Even when I am fitting monobloc taps that come with flexis, I replace the tails with copper ones most of the time.
the image you see, is a bath tap fitted in Battersea, using a flexi on a gravity system fed from a CWSC. Not surprisingly, the cold tap takes for ever to fill. Now, if a copper pipe had been used, it would have leaked like HELL and flooded the flat below. So why not use a flexi? What a joke
Even when I am fitting monobloc taps that come with flexis, I replace the tails with copper ones most of the time.
the image you see, is a bath tap fitted in Battersea, using a flexi on a gravity system fed from a CWSC. Not surprisingly, the cold tap takes for ever to fill. Now, if a copper pipe had been used, it would have leaked like HELL and flooded the flat below. So why not use a flexi? What a joke
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sheff paul
are all thease ''anti flexi'' plumbers still wearing bib and brace overalls,eating tallow sandwhiches,and bragging about the last joint they wiped...
can i start a FLEXI APPRECIATION SOCIETY
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sheff paul
if a crap plumber cannot fit a flexi they have no hope in copper,good plumbers fit flexi's properly no tension or kinks and have few problems .
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Veggie Dave
And yet you've limited the material options for absolutely no reason, instantly reducing the different options for installation. I can't count the number of times a simple job has been an utter nightmare because someone has fitted a shower or bath with no thought for future repairs or replacement.
Sorry, but closing your mind to all the different options open to the professional plumber makes absolutely no sense. I very rarely use braided hosing, but only because it's not the right tool for that job.
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Veggie Dave
So, you don't use anything that can potentially be fitted by an idiot? Is the problem with the install in that image caused by the component used or the dribbling idiot that fitted it?
Usually when a flexi fails it's because it's fitted wrong. That's not the fault of the flexi. I fit whatever comes in the box, or in copper if nothing is supplied because I don't think it makes much difference, unless flow is an issue, in which case you clearly don't use them.
If you do it right, it wont leak. The things are everywhere, boilers have them in. Do we all need to go around re piping the insides system and combi boilers? I don't think so.
If you do it right, it wont leak. The things are everywhere, boilers have them in. Do we all need to go around re piping the insides system and combi boilers? I don't think so.
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inherently flexible pipes will fail, they are made of rubber which will perish long before copper and steel and although the fitter may no longer be trading when it fails, I feel that we should be using something designed to last the course of the building. thats the difference between tradesmen and diy in my opinion and as a tradesman I like to think my work will outlive me.
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Kyle87
Is there a boiler on the market that is built to last?
do you take any flexis out of the inside of any boilers or appliances then? I reckon those flexis will last just as long as the taps they come with.
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boilers seem to have a 7 -8 year design life, copper pipework designed for life, simplees
not true. why do you think taps with washers are almost always rewashered? And the rubber/material content of tap washers is far more durable than the rubber hoses in braided flexi pipes. The hot tap fitted with braided flexi hose will always certainly fail. It is not whether it will fail. It is when? The cold may last longer, but eventually, it will fail, FACT
As for boilers, what is the average life span of a modern boiler? Bearing that in mind, is it any wonder some boiler manufacturers find the ''need'' to use them? Fit a copper pipe with soldered joints and walk away, job done.
Fair point. But I bet no one removes them, in fact it's probably a warranty issue if you did. So there's no point pretending that we're not using them. We all do.
It is a shame to fit flexis on an all copper plumbing system. You are just putting a weak spot on a plumbing system simply because you want to save 2 or 3 minutes (that's all it should take to bend copper), or because you are not capable of fitting copper pipes.
If you want to use flexis you might as well let the diy person do the job as it is so easy & remember that the customer that looks at what you have done with flexis will correctly assume that they could have done it themselves.
If you want to use flexis you might as well let the diy person do the job as it is so easy & remember that the customer that looks at what you have done with flexis will correctly assume that they could have done it themselves.
if that's true then were all going to be very busy plumbers for a long time. Because that's a lot of hot taps that are definitely going to fail. As i said I use whatever's in the box and happily use copper. But the idea that flexis are all going to fail doesn't stack up imo.
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