Gas Safe Engineers

[Dotty]

Please be very aware that this is an open forum.

Please take ALL gas related threads where you are discussing the technical and safety related repair of boilers into the Gas Safe Registered Engineers Sub Forum!

Thank you!

 

[dancinplumba]

nice one croppie

 

[mikegas]

Background Colour scheme or something should be different in the locked forums, I never know which of the two I'm in

 

[villa_tom]

Please be very aware that this is an open forum.

Please take ALL gas related threads where you are discussing the technical and safety related repair of boilers into the Gas Safe Registered Engineers Sub Forum!

Thank you!

Ok mom.

 

[dancinplumba]

mentioned this last nite in the TA forum

 

[Dotty]

Ok mom.

And tidy your bedroom!

 

[PlumbBobBob]

i'll make this a sticky so it doesn't get lost down the page.

 

[Dotty]

i'll make this a sticky so it doesn't get lost down the page.

Thanks Steve.

 

[Orry Clayton]

be in there once my CENWAT cert comes through, been waiting a few weeks for it, so to register (not paying £12 extra within days of registering)

 

[Bernie2]

Hmm! Why have a Gas Safe Registered sign by your name, if you do not advise people other than to tell them not to do anything? It is fairly obvious that if a person says they can see yellow flames in a gas fire that there is something wrong with it. I would say it is acceptable to tell them what it may be but not to touch it, the dangers involved and to call a gas safe engineer. If you give them no idea of what the fault may be, they may very well ignore it and be overcome with carbon monoxide.

The fact that laws exist that make it illegal for certain classes of people to touch gas at all should be sufficient.

 

[mikegas]

Surely telling them what it might be will only increase the chances of them messing with it.

 

[Bernie2]

I don't think so Mike I have usually found the opposite, many people think things are simple and easy to do, if they do not know about it, especially the DIYer. But if you explain the dangers and why it is dangerous, they seem to think again, not use what you have told them to do it. I think it perhaps underlines to them that the job they proposed to do was not as simple as they thought. And once they know the implications for them legally in doing DIY repairs they tend to think it is not worth the bother.

The guy who has no money to repair the boiler will probably have a go regardless of whether you tell him or not.

I mean how many people speed in a car? The speed limits on roads are set by government guys driving down them and assessing the safest fastest driving speed of them. People still speed though but knowing why it is the fastest speed often helps them be more aware and not to speed.

One can only hope educating people to risk helps. Where as keeping them in the dark increases risk and makes gas fitters look like a secretive group wanting to keep secrets from their customers and possibly increase prices for no good reason. That helps break down the customer gas fitter relationship and it becomes customer lunch and a gas fitter shark. You do not really want that, you want repeat business not antipathy and a feeling they are being ripped off.

 

[Terry_the_piper]

Mixed feelings guys. I go to some who have obviously messed with the boiler before I got there but claim thats how it was left by the last chap! Others are well behaved though and are happy to pay for peace of mind.

 

[Kyle87]

I'm not even GSR yet. I'm training. But one of the lecturers at my college is rob munton. He's been a gas incident investigator for years. We were shown a couple of slides on a couple of cases he was on. Put it this way, people died because gas registered engineers didn't do their job right. Now if trained people can kill people through negligence, what do you think is gonna happen through DIY ignorance. Just taking the casing off some gas appliances and not putting them back right is enough to kill let alone fiddling with the workings inside.

I'm with the mods. People's safety is paramount.

 

[SimonG]

I'm with the mods. Half the jokers coming on here just want telling how to fix it so that they can do it themselves.

It should be sufficient to say do not touch and get a gsr engineer. If they have questions they can ask the engineer they are paying when he arrives on site.

To be honest I wish it was the same for the oil and solid fuel.

 

[Viper Gas]

Hey guys I'll be dealing with the aweful power max 155x. Clients says it doesn't fire up for demand of hot water only.....any ideas!????

Cheers fellas.

 

[dave1]

Flow switch maybe? It has to heat the h/w before it will fire for c/h.
They have two pumps, one on the left for c/h.
I've changed quite a few of the flow switches.
Could just of locked out for low pressure or no gas.

 

[stevetheplumber]

withholding infomation is the best way to controll the population ask hitler or stalin saying youve with held it for there own good is removing peoples choices next we will be burning the books and sending people to gas awareness camps

 

[Bernie2]

To avoid accidents inform people so they can recognise the dangers. Don't inform them and they can kill through ignorance. Most of the information on this forum can be gained elsewhere if people decide to look. Not being free with advice is just silly makes gas fitters look like a secret society.

 

[Dotty]

To avoid accidents inform people so they can recognise the dangers. Don't inform them and they can kill through ignorance. Most of the information on this forum can be gainued elsewhere if people decide to look. Not being free with advice is just silly makes gas fitters look like a secret society.

I'm getting fed up with this.

The forum policy is that we do not give technical advice on the installation or repair of gas boilers or the modification or installation of gas pipework to non gsr's.

The simple explanation of don't touch you're not qualified will suffice.

If they then find out the information elsewhere and manage to kill themselves then that's not our problem.

If you're comfortable with giving such advice and at ease with yourself for doing a gsr out of a job then fine. Go do it. You just won't be doing it on these forums.

 

[on31ll]

i couldnt care about giving advice to people and they hurt themselves. id still sleep at night but like croppie said if anything its another person that nerver calls a GSR to repair the job ! they fix one problem and when the next arises they will try and fix that ! and then there house needs a socket added here or there they will read up and do that ! then that wall under the window need skimming so they will do that ! your not only puttin yaself out of a job but a fair few other people too !

 

[Killy Bing]

I went to a house, boiler, gas cooker and flueless fire.
Boss had to repair the boiler and service everything
I got the fire so i went to the fire, checked it over, took it apart and alarm bells rang when a plate was missing in the flue ways.

turned out the gas fire kept going out and the owner had read about a restricter plate causing the flame to burn out online.

it wasnt a restrictor plate, it was the catalytic converter!

since then I've been cagey explaining how things work to customers.

im with the mods, general public shouldn't get technical advice on boilers, gas runs or any gas appliance.
Im saying this and I'm not even gas safe yet!

 

[on31ll]

I went to a house, boiler, gas cooker and flueless fire.
Boss had to repair the boiler and service everything
I got the fire so i went to the fire, checked it over, took it apart and alarm bells rang when a plate was missing in the flue ways.

turned out the gas fire kept going out and the owner had read about a restricter plate causing the flame to burn out online.

it wasnt a restrictor plate, it was the catalytic converter!

since then I've been cagey explaining how things work to customers.

im with the mods, general public shouldn't get technical advice on boilers, gas runs or any gas appliance.
Im saying this and I'm not even gas safe yet!

ive been to a job before for a boiler change and went to do tightness test etc the test nipple was missing the screw !! but to cover the hole was white tack ! ive got a picture somwhere ! basically the customer had read online on how to move his bayonet cooker point over so his new range cooker would be closer to the back wall ! he lost the screw for the test nipple and used white tack ! he orederd a new screw online and when my boss said the screw missing he said "yer ive ordered another one ill try and find it, keep meaning to put it back" turns out it had been like that for a few months !

some people are just dangerous ! and i wouldnt care if he blew himself up i really am heartless but its next door alos with there baby ! and its me and my boss who have lost out on £60 to move cooker point etc ! ill try and find the picture

 

[on31ll]

cant really see but the big white blob is white tack !

 

[Keefy]

Probably lost the test nipple.



I lost one myself once but instead of doing whatever's happened there I called National Grid out and within 15 minutes they'd dropped a handful off for me. Was miles from any merchants so it worked out nicely.