rough idea on price

[Billy Bob Bob]

link Worcester Junior 28i Combi inc Std Flue [jun28i] - £994.00 : Vaillant, Baxi, Glow worm, Potterton, Worcester bosch, ferroli, radiators, controls, Central heating, boilers, combi boilers, remeha, and plumbing supplies from www.mrcentralheating.co.uk

 

[EPH]

Bloody hell, that with programmer and flue?

 

[Mike Jackson]

Last Atag A325C I got I paid £840 plus VAT for including the flue. That works out only £4 more than that for a 35 Kw combi with a 5 year warranty.

 

[EPH]

We pay £681.91 + VAT for a 28i Junior. That £994 is extortionate.

 

[GQuigley67]

6 days seems to long, no customer will be happy without heating and hot water for that long, get someone in with installation experience and get the job done ASAP try and get the customer to move the position of the boiler from the loft saying it costs more with vertical flue and making the loft safe for whoever has to service/repair/operate the boiler.

an extra 2 or 3 pair of hands and it can be done in a day or 2, minimum disruption to the customer.

Also to make life easier tell customer to move all furniture etc which is in the way and clear room where radiators are going etc, even employ a carpet fitter to go in before you lift the carpets and relay them after you are done.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Where from EPH ?

 

[Leo21]

Also to make life easier tell customer to move all furniture etc which is in the way and clear room where radiators are going etc, even employ a carpet fitter to go in before you lift the carpets and relay them after you are done.[/QUOTE]

Dont tell them this before you've had your quote accepted. A would also try and talk them out of having it in the loft. It's cheaper to do a vertical flue than wall mount in loft.

 

[EPH]

PTS mate, them and a local merchant are normally within £10-20 of each other normally.

 

[mutley racers]

EPH where do you get your boilers from?

 

[mutley racers]

i actually have the pts price list here. 28i is £860. Does not say if that is including flue though

 

[EPH]

That's what I pay including flue and VAT, anymore and you need your head testing!

 

[SafeGasInstall]

How much do you want to make from the job? I would be looking for a minimum of 1k profit personally. Probably more like 1k labour and 20% on materials.

do you mean 1k profit on top of your 1k labour cost ?????

to me profit is when you pay your self or whoever wages and take out all expanses and it leaves you with your profit !

to me at this environment to make 1k profit on 1 job is too much as competition will win the jobs !

 

[mfgs]

I mean as in total profit from the job, i.e my labour time.

 

[peteheat]

do you mean 1k profit on top of your 1k labour cost ?????

to me profit is when you pay your self or whoever wages and take out all expanses and it leaves you with your profit !

to me at this environment to make 1k profit on 1 job is too much as competition will win the jobs !

Hi,

You would do better taking up normal a job where someone else takes the profit and the overhead instead of fooling yourself that you are a contractor taking on all the responsibility of the job for a days pay, one thing I can guarantee you is the customer will not tell you your too cheap but hit a slow run and you will soon see any money you have in reserve disappear very fast.

A days pay is just that, add your materials and at least 20% mark up I always added it to the material including VAT prices because that is the amount I'm laying out at the counter, then add your casual labour amount, After that add as much as you are happy with as the profit margin.

Your van will not run or replace itself that is a cost, add your marketing for the week (all advertising divided by 52 for a job taking week), Phone, replacement tools etc then add your real profit margin.

Customers like to see the contractor appearing to do well, it gives them the feeling of security should anything go wrong in the future you will still be in business to sort out the problem even if it's just making a call to the manufacturer to confirm installation dates.

Really cheap prices make for a busy fool.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Hi,

You would do better taking up normal a job where someone else takes the profit and the overhead instead of fooling yourself that you are a contractor taking on all the responsibility of the job for a days pay, one thing I can guarantee you is the customer will not tell you your too cheap but hit a slow run and you will soon see any money you have in reserve disappear very fast.

A days pay is just that, add your materials and at least 20% mark up I always added it to the material including VAT prices because that is the amount I'm laying out at the counter, then add your casual labour amount, After that add as much as you are happy with as the profit margin.

Your van will not run or replace itself that is a cost, add your marketing for the week (all advertising divided by 52 for a job taking week), Phone, replacement tools etc then add your real profit margin.

Customers like to see the contractor appearing to do well, it gives them the feeling of security should anything go wrong in the future you will still be in business to sort out the problem even if it's just making a call to the manufacturer to confirm installation dates.

Really cheap prices make for a busy fool.

Do you have a large company ?Do you work for the rich only customers ?

I also do my mark on materials +VAT on top of it .

I also allow about 20% on my earnings to cover other cost

But where do you get the idea that jobs I price are very cheap and should be better of working for some one else ?

Or i did understand your post wrong ?

 

[Leo21]

Mr Safe Gas think he was talking in general.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

i took it personal as he did copy my post and thought he was on about me who knows let see when he comes back !
I would like to take a lesson if I am missing something or could improve my strategy of wining jobs

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Mr Safe Gas think he was talking in general.

every one else calls me Stan

 

[peteheat]

Do you have a large company ?Do you work for the rich only customers ?

I also do my mark on materials +VAT on top of it .

I also allow about 20% on my earnings to cover other cost

But where do you get the idea that jobs I price are very cheap and should be better of working for some one else ?

Or i did understand your post wrong ?

Hi,

Sorry for any mis-understanding, a general post considering the topic, nothing personal.

I have had a very big company, now I just have a few small ones.

I never refuse work at my price regardless of my customers perceived class status, in fact the majority of my customers in the private sector have been working class, my experience is working class are genuine people who pay fast for a good job unlike some of the so called "Rich" who will spend a fortune on engineers and solicitors to try getting out of paying.

Not that the above has anything to do with this thread.

 

[EPH]

To be fair, considering that in depth business lecture you'd have thought by now he'd learnt to include all the things he's asking about into his hourly rate and not just planting it onto the odd quote.

 

[Leo21]

Well see Stan, it's a touchy subject prices at the moment, could see why you got offended but honestly think it was in general. Everyones sphincters tight as a twenty year old drain of at the moment. Current climate an all.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

All good here .

All started as I did not understand the post from mfgs when he did mention 1k profit on a full ch install ! Please see post page2 of this thread

 

[SafeGasInstall]

To peteheat :

How much labour you will charge if you get called to a 3 bed mid/semi house to install full ch ?
Unoccupied house ,customer just got the keys to the property !

I am asking as i have had last 4 weeks with only 2-3 days of work each week .Today I was asked to quote for very same job .

 

[EPH]

To peteheat :

How much labour you will charge if you get called to a 3 bed mid/semi house to install full ch ?
Unoccupied house ,customer just got the keys to the property !

I am asking as i have had last 4 weeks with only 2-3 days of work each week .Today I was asked to quote for very same job .

Combi? How many rads?

 

[peteheat]

To peteheat :

How much labour you will charge if you get called to a 3 bed mid/semi house to install full ch ?
Unoccupied house ,customer just got the keys to the property !

I am asking as i have had last 4 weeks with only 2-3 days of work each week .Today I was asked to quote for very same job .

Hi Stan,

I don't do much gas because there's not many houses in my area on a mains supply.

Last one similar to your question was with a Grant Vortex condensing oil, while the house had been a three bed it had been extended over the years so the munber of rads was up to 12, new cylinder, new heating controls etc (existing oil tank is all that was left).

Customer paid the princely sum of €8700.00, pipework was all copper 3/4 and 1/2 except new oil line.

The original system was microbore fitted in 1975 and I was the apprentice charged with among other things making up the manifolds with G.B fittings.

My boss at the time got £1890.00 (old Irish Pounds) customer still had the receipt.