should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for money?

[ecowarm]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

hi mate, no worries. the ACS is part of the plumbing 6089 NVQ3 mate, you cannot pass your NVQ3 without it unless you sign a disclamier, you shouldnt let the centre encourage you to do this as it should be built in.

At my local college the students get a choice for Nvq 3 ACS, Oftec or a renewable course (solar. Unvented and Hetas)

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

hi mate, no worries. the ACS is part of the plumbing 6089 NVQ3 mate, you cannot pass your NVQ3 without it unless you sign a disclamier, you shouldnt let the centre encourage you to do this as it should be built in.

Nothing to do with the training centre, i researched this, the NVQ3 is definetly seperate to the ACS i do not know where you got that it is the same but it is definetly not the same thing, The NVQ includes the Unvented and a basic introduction to gas but the ACS is definetly different,

[DLMURL="http://www.wnc.ac.uk/Courses/Advanced-Apprenticeship-Plumbing-NVQ-3"]Advanced Apprenticeship Plumbing NVQ 3 - West Nottinghamshire College[/DLMURL]

some places require you to have passed your acs accreditation before you can get your NVQ3 but these are the cons, trust me i have spent weeks researching this.

[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/46339.html?s=1"]NVQ in Mechanical Engineering Services - Plumbing (Domestic) | Construction and Building | Plumbing | City & Guilds[/DLMURL]

 

[plumbster3456]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

and what if someone wants a cheap job and ignore the missing badge? how do we police it? who catches em?

ok so the taxi business is nearly 100% licensed taxi drivers there are very few who are not licensed.
how can they police this and not plumbing industry?
It would not be an offence on customers part but one on the fitters part this is how it should be done

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Nothing to do with the training centre, i researched this, the NVQ3 is definetly seperate to the ACS i do not know where you got that it is the same but it is definetly not the same thing, The NVQ includes the Unvented and a basic introduction to gas but the ACS is definetly different,

[DLMURL="http://www.wnc.ac.uk/Courses/Advanced-Apprenticeship-Plumbing-NVQ-3"]Advanced Apprenticeship Plumbing NVQ 3 - West Nottinghamshire College[/DLMURL]

some places require you to have passed your acs accreditation before you can get your NVQ3 but these are the cons, trust me i have spent weeks researching this.

[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/46339.html?s=1"]NVQ in Mechanical Engineering Services - Plumbing (Domestic) | Construction and Building | Plumbing | City & Guilds[/DLMURL]

sorry mate, the acs is 100% part of the nvq3 if you choose the gas option, it can be bypassed but why would you want to do that? check the front of the nvq 3 file

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

you can pull a taxi over and check em out, how would that work for plumbing? The plumbing police patrolling the streets checking on blokes walking inot house with a blow torch!

 

[tamz]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I think the numerous plumbing bodies out there could do more to highlight the dangerous of using cowboy plumbers by the use of adverts in magazines etc.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland this body SNIPEF Home - Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation (as have the other bodies in England and Wales), have been lobbying government for years to try to get some kind of compulsory licencing scheme.
They are not interested although the Scottish government are listening a bit. We'll see.

At the moment they do run a licencing scheme and it does impress some people and open some doors if you are licenced.

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

There is the hackney carriage they give people the licences, then you as an employer have to ensure that you have all the paperwork for each employee, including driving license, tax, mot, insurance and a valid hackney license which i believe gets renewed every year or two. also the taxi company must write down every single job taken, if any of these are missing then there is a £1000 fine per item missing. So put simply the employer is held responsible.

 

[Puddle]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

You just have your iris scanned with the customers mobile phone which has a app to connect and check it at the national plumbing and vicuallers data base

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

so i need a taxi now?

 

[bcp]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

NO-unless there is access to training/courses for anyone regardless of age or funds. The closed shop scenario or exclusions because of.....is unacceptable. Oh and get ready to pay huge fees to the governing body.

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

are we talikng about the same NVQ here, i am talking about the 6089 level 3

 

[tamz]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I dont have an NVQ!

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

[DLMURL]http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_plumbing/6089_Candidate_workplace_evidence_record_(Level_3).pdf[/DLMURL]

page 10 mate

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

are we talikng about the same NVQ here, i am talking about the 6089 level 3

the 6089 level 3 is the nvq???

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

[DLMURL]http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_plumbing/6089_Scheme-Handbook.pdf[/DLMURL]

and this one page 20, probably explains it better, this ok now?

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

ok, well i did the renewable energy route as this was what my college was offering and i did not have the money for the ACS training, but i will do once i can afford. this is not part of the NVQ3 in my college if i went the gas route i would of had to pay for the ACS to be done seperately. is it different for you?

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

you shouldnt have to pay seperately as it is part of the gas option nvq3 6089 course. If your college offered an alternative option then fine, i thought there were only two gas or oil, hadnt heard of a renewable one, what did you cover? (thought it would only be available on the new diploma 6189)

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

covers the air source and ground source pumps and the solar panels. been told that colleges are getting rid of lead and some other parts and they will be teaching renewables in NVQ 2 and 3 from september. its suppose to be the thing of the future??? will only be time before this is policed and whilst on the point they are policing air conditioning engineers early next year. so i reacon it will only be time before plumbers are policed.

the question is, how strict are the current policing systems, taxis, gas engineers and electricians. people are still getting blown up from gas explosions so when will they see sense and police it properly

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

colleges wont be getting rid of anything, they can only run the courses that summitskills design, there will be no tech cert or nvq at level 2 or 3 in a few months, only a diploma that requires you to work. 3 options, gas, oil or renewable, you do one not all 3. falls short i believe, it should include a minimum of renewables but no its an option!
yes lead is going to be an option aswell.

ive never heard of the current nvq having a renewable option, did you not sign an appendix A form?

 

[tamz]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

When the so called renawables have been renewed and long forgotten about the lead will still be there and need skilled men to work it.

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

colleges wont be getting rid of anything, they can only run the courses that summitskills design, there will be no tech cert or nvq at level 2 or 3 in a few months, only a diploma that requires you to work. 3 options, gas, oil or renewable, you do one not all 3. falls short i believe, it should include a minimum of renewables but no its an option!
yes lead is going to be an option aswell.

ive never heard of the current nvq having a renewable option, did you not sign an appendix A form?

are you some sort of tutor, this post is wether they should police none qualified plumbers or not, not training, i dont know where you are getting all this information from

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

its still an option tamz, most employers dont want their trainees learning it, theyd rather them learn more relevant stuff, hence it being semi dropped

 

[Reg Man]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Does NVQ stand for "Not Very Qualified"? I love the Eye Spy in the gas mags. This sort of work keeps me in a job.

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

are you some sort of tutor, this post is wether they should police none qualified plumbers or not, not training,

as is often the case we can go off topic, your right we should aim to get back on topic and leave this to more relevant threads. im no tutor, i just very pro learning and education, my wifes a teacher! i find alot of people do not know enough about the quals available and i like to inform people of what is going on, not trying to be smart but just help people

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

qualifications used to be the recognised standard for policing the industry why do we need another 'tier'? obviously something wrong with our system if we need this