The Green Deal

[julesverne]

Ok, one more post !

ive put a lot of time and effort into attending seminars and speaking with people to find out the real ins and out of the scheme. Perhaps if others did the same rather than rely on the opinions of others without lifting a finger themselves they would be better informed. Certainly on the open forum I'm not going to sprout off about it all for everyone to see including the potentials clients.

In respect to MCS. Most of the companies who have been bitten are companies who popped up overnight to offer solar p.v due to the amount of profit on offer! Jumping in with both feet to make a killing, then not have anything to fall back on when the bottom fell out of it when the tariffs changed. Not entirely there fault, the government cocked it up big time by slashing the FIT over night. I've got first hand experience of this subject so feel I know the situation quite well!

Your right, unless the subsidies are there, renewables don't add up in some instances, the green deal may change that, but it is so complicated a lot are put off including myself for the time being. The FIT fiasco left a sour taste so people will be very wary about the RHI payments as well.

Eaton seems to do well out of heat pumps without the RHI being released so there are cases where the savings are enough to warrant the cost of work. You just need to be able to do the maths rather than blanket statements about certain technologies not working or whatever.

The forums can have a really damaging impact on the industry if it is full of personal opinions without substance.

What you write could be read by your potential customers in the future. Best to make sure its right and accurate.

i agree what your saying and where coming from.

but for me the regulatory burden for a one man band i feel is just too much. for the amount of money that has been thrown at this scheme. it would have been far simpler to offer a voucher scheme and then afterwards to comply you could have the installation inspected by a governing body ie gas safe mcs body for a reasonable fee which could be deducted from final payment if it complys you get paid or you have to get it upto spec to get paid that isnt difficult it creates jobs as you need inspectors and not the sharks middlemen who know feck all about heating and renewables.

 

[hammers4spanner]

although i am not interested in the green deal the eco affordable warmth scheme is more appealing however have no idea how you go about finding relevant info foer installers

 

[lame plumber]

when you read about how much turbines cost us, then you wonder if the government is ever going to get it right! True cost of Britain's wind farm industry revealed - Telegraph

 

[hammers4spanner]

when have the govt got anything right???

 

[eaton]

Trust me I'm not, I know 3 firms doing the £1500 instal currently, as I've said I've had very in depth conversations with people already involved. Eco scheme is warm front end of, green deal isn't currently set up for heatpumps or solar its geared at insulation which is something we already had in place and was going well.

 

[eaton]

The Eco scheme is the green deal its just a branch off of it. You'd need pas to get green deal then you can get in contact with manufacturers about evo grants.

 

[Dickie]

I've done 100s of surveys for the affordable warmth ECO scheme, most of which are combi swops. From the installers point of view, like everything else, there's good companies & bad doing it, some are paying £130/swop & other better ones are paying £250/swop. Some are doing full powerflush, which as we all know is required!! Others dont bother & stick some X800 in for a few day before the swop, then hot & cold flush it.

Oh there's plenty work out there on these schemes for RGIs, but be selective who you work for. I enjoy the work & it keeps me off my knackered knees for a few days a week & the firm I'm doing them for do a good job, have a high standard of work & only work for the likes of SSE - that do it right.

 

[aligorgon]

what reg or MI stipulates that a powerflush is required?

 

[dancinplumba]

All mi's, British Standards, someone will post the number

 

[dancinplumba]

Think its 5449

 

[dancinplumba]

No it's 7593

 

[Dickie]

Well mate if you know the size of a Band A boiler Primary Heat Exchanger's water ways there's no way you wouldn't powerflush it, regardless of any regs.
While powerflushing is not the answer to every system's ills, in the case of a boiler swop it's a must in my view.

 

[Dickie]

What many have said here is true about doing install work on these schemes, lots of guys are making good money doing this type of work for the GOOD companies. If you have all the right gear, lots of experience, the qualifications & are willing to work hard. Then making £200-300/day can be easily done. If you're an old git like me with loads of qualification, skill & experience, well, leave it to the young guns in my view.

 

[theanalyst]

powerwhat?!

 

[eaton]

Reg doesn't actually state a power flush and never has, simply says system should be cleaned to British standard, its up to the installer to determine what treatment is needed. Know a lad doing Eco scheme with a mate, their doing 2 a day, says its 3-4 hours straight swap and run condense. No way they're power flushing.

 

[Dickie]

Some Energy Companies are having it done, it's in their Specifications on this scheme. SSE for example.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Reg doesn't actually state a power flush and never has, simply says system should be cleaned to British standard, its up to the installer to determine what treatment is needed. Know a lad doing Eco scheme with a mate, their doing 2 a day, says its 3-4 hours straight swap and run condense. No way they're power flushing.

What are they getting per job ?

 

[Dickie]

Reg doesn't actually state a power flush and never has, simply says system should be cleaned to British standard, its up to the installer to determine what treatment is needed. Know a lad doing Eco scheme with a mate, their doing 2 a day, says its 3-4 hours straight swap and run condense. No way they're power flushing.

Oh I know what you're saying is true mate & I'm sure your pal is doing very nicely out of it.

Dont get me wrong I'm not a huge Powerflush fan, but at times it's the only way to get the crud out any system....

 

[hammers4spanner]

this was on the news yesterday about the green deal and compared to other govt schemes apparentley its way down on the take up of orders ,faltering methinks.

 

[anz]

All the guys that are installing at the moment can't be installing for the green Deal.

There hasn't been any installs carried out on the Green Deal yet, just inspections because they've got money issues or something.

All these installs will probably be on the eco scheme.

 

[JAH HEATING]

All the guys that are installing at the moment can't be installing for the green Deal.

There hasn't been any installs carried out on the Green Deal yet, just inspections because they've got money issues or something.

All these installs will probably be on the eco scheme.

Whats the difference between the 2 ?

 

[hammers4spanner]

Eco scheme is if your a scumbag layabout you get free boiler, green deal is for anyone who wishes to devalue their home by putting works cost against your house

 

[anz]

Eco is like the old warm front, except there isn't just one company doing all the installs. Any of us can get a slice of the pie.

With green Deal the cost is paid monthly by the householder via there electricity bill.

 

[eaton]

Eco is warm front replacement. Lads are getting between £130-350 per install you get to keep scrap etc, had ideal rep pushing it via my answer phone earlier

 

[markfxy]

read in the paper today that the number of green deal installs is zero, zilch nada!. you might as well throw money down the drain than get involved in this white elephant!