The Green Deal

[Dickie]

As said, the ECO affordable warmth scheme is not the same as the Green Deal.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Is this pas2030 training worth taking ? The Eco one seems to be taking off more than the green deal ?

 

[Dickie]

I think if I were 20 years younger I'd do it & take on 5-6 subbies to do the installs for me. I'm not sure about other parts of the UK, but here in Scotland it's really taken off. One guy I know is doing £1M a month!! Oh it'll end in tears when the work dries up, but if he can make lots of money & not be daft with it he'll be sorted for life.

Theres a few cowboys out there so be careful who you work for!!

 

[JAH HEATING]

I think if I were 20 years younger I'd do it & take on 5-6 subbies to do the installs for me. I'm not sure about other parts of the UK, but here in Scotland it's really taken off. One guy I know is doing £1M a month!! Oh it'll end in tears when the work dries up, but if he can make lots of money & not be daft with it he'll be sorted for life.

Theres a few cowboys out there so be careful who you work for!!

i know someone who has ****loads of the Eco work an basically he's going to subby it to me...


I was under the illusion that to do the work yourself, there was **** loads of paperwork, loads of costs etc...

 

[hammers4spanner]

The eco deal in southwest has gone ballistic a friendof mine is subbying out 50 boilers a week , he knows its going to dry up soon so is making hay whilst sun shines .

 

[Dickie]

If you are doing subbie work just make sure you get paid every week. Don't get used by any contractor to help their cash flow. And remember, it'll only last a short while, so don't be the mug that never got their last payment.

 

[JAH HEATING]

On the Eco, straight swap, hot an cold flush (that's what's your asked to do), leave on temp an make good around your flue... What should be looking at ?? £170 - £230 ish ?

 

[hammers4spanner]

theirs loads of it going on round here and prices i have been offered are £80 - £250 per swap

 

[JAH HEATING]

Register details with them and you can provide custards with a free boiler providing they meet the affordable warmth criteria. They give you 1500 minus whatever boiler and controls you buy. They deal with the grant side of things.
The remainder is for pipe and sundries and your fee is what's left.
That's my understanding anyway.

It will help the little guys stay afloat and its in the interest of the manufacturers to do this also as The 'firms' rinsing the eco schemes will favour a particular cheap shiddy boiler like the eaga/isar combination

So manufacturers if they want to jeep selling boilers need to make sure the independents keep going and can provide a choice. Undertaking the grant thing in an installer behalf is one such way and imo if all manufacturers follow suit it will be the 'thrown at the wall by monkeys, firms that will suffer

So who pays us ? Gloworm give you the boiler an then your wage ?

 

[JAH HEATING]

Register details with them and you can provide custards with a free boiler providing they meet the affordable warmth criteria. They give you 1500 minus whatever boiler and controls you buy. They deal with the grant side of things.
The remainder is for pipe and sundries and your fee is what's left.
That's my understanding anyway.

It will help the little guys stay afloat and its in the interest of the manufacturers to do this also as The 'firms' rinsing the eco schemes will favour a particular cheap shiddy boiler like the eaga/isar combination

So manufacturers if they want to jeep selling boilers need to make sure the independents keep going and can provide a choice. Undertaking the grant thing in an installer behalf is one such way and imo if all manufacturers follow suit it will be the 'thrown at the wall by monkeys, firms that will suffer

So who pays us ? Gloworm give you the boiler an then your wage ?

 

[Dickie]

theirs loads of it going on round here and prices i have been offered are £80 - £250 per swap

Of course you'd go for the higher amount. The gas supply pipe upgrades & the condensate pipes routes are the two biggest head aches on straight swops. So before you go to only job get feedback on that, it could save you an extra trip to pick up material. Most jobs have digi photos taken at the survey stage, so ask for them.

The further down the subbie, subbie, subbie chain you are the lower the install prices & the worst jobs are always given to a subbie. So if you're doing it for 80 sheets, you're way down the chain & going to get a manky house or a difficult install.
GET PAID!!!

 

[Dickie]

So who pays us ? Gloworm give you the boiler an then your wage ?

Ah yes they're fitting the Flexibomb, good luck with that..............:grin:

 

[JAH HEATING]

Of course you'd go for the higher amount. The gas supply pipe upgrades & the condensate pipes routes are the two biggest head aches on straight swops. So before you go to only job get feedback on that, it could save you an extra trip to pick up material. Most jobs have digi photos taken at the survey stage, so ask for them.

The further down the subbie, subbie, subbie chain you are the lower the install prices & the worst jobs are always given to a subbie. So if you're doing it for 80 sheets, you're way down the chain & going to get a manky house or a difficult install.
GET PAID!!!

they aren't paying extra for the gas no ?

 

[hammers4spanner]

wont get me doing it cant be bothered with it all to much hassle , happy going round failing everyones work t the moment

 

[JAH HEATING]

Ah yes they're fitting the Flexibomb, good luck with that..............:grin:

Bemore hassle than its worth, you'd be back an forth to the piece of crap

 

[Dickie]

they aren't paying extra for the gas no ?

Oh yes, there's a set amount for upgrades above a certain length. but it can be a real hassle on most jobs & the rates are never that great for gas supply upgrades.

 

[Dickie]

wont get me doing it cant be bothered with it all to much hassle , happy going round failing everyones work t the moment

I can completely understand your view mate. However, there's plenty guys doing a quick combi swop, one a day & keeping their regular customers happy also. It's amazing how quick you can do them when you gets into the swing of it.
Just don't get sucked into the £80/install work, that's cr.p as detailed above.

 

[JAH HEATING]

I can completely understand your view mate. However, there's plenty guys doing a quick combi swop, one a day & keeping their regular customers happy also. It's amazing how quick you can do them when you gets into the swing of it.
Just don't get sucked into the £80/install work, that's cr.p as detailed above.

i can't be ar#ed with this game anymore, getting people under cutting you, hard to get new work these days if you ask me. If someone wants to give me boiler swaps say 3 a week at least around £180 plus ill do it, working on your own these days is just getting harder an harder.

am also looking going offshore to br honest

 

[hammers4spanner]

I can completely understand your view mate. However, there's plenty guys doing a quick combi swop, one a day & keeping their regular customers happy also. It's amazing how quick you can do them when you gets into the swing of it.
Just don't get sucked into the £80/install work, that's cr.p as detailed above.

easily do 2 a day and be home by four however i cant be arsed with it anymore , gimme servicing to go round and riddor all the green deal crap please

 

[Dickie]

Offshore jobs are not easy to get either mate. And you're right this trade is knackered.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Offshore jobs are not easy to get either mate. And you're right this trade is knackered.

True, me dads a toolpusher offshore he's trying is best but its a bit of a struggle

 

[hammers4spanner]

was chatting down plumb center today about this green deal /eco malarky and they were saying judging by early signs it dont look positive for one man bands said alot are struggling .

they were saying that although the work is coming down its via contractor /contractor so rates are crap also alot of one man bands have lost reg boiler upgrades because of it .

 

[julesverne]

So what does it entail to get access to eco funding as a one man band. Do you have to just get green deal certified or be a green deal assesor certified and does anyone know what sort fundingis being given for straight swap combi before everyone takes a slice of the pie. A lot of info and all confusing

 

[julesverne]

Also whats to stop us in the arms as a collective doing it ourselves. Cut all sharks out.surely it cant be that hard

 

[Dickie]

As said, there's Subbie work out there. But be careful who you work for.