The reason I don't use flexis...

[MP plumb]

good enough... were on the right track!

 

[MP plumb]

what colour is my name now? ive been accepted into the arms of love

 

[dancinplumba]

You red sweet red !!!!!!!

 

[Guest123]

Way off topic guys, continue the love match in the Arms. I've booked my kilt for the wedding by the way.

Still remain flexi about it.

 

[dancinplumba]

check out arms new members thread

 

[dancinplumba]

Way off topic guys, continue the love match in the Arms. I've booked my kilt for the wedding by the way.

Still remain flexi about it.

wot you wearing then ??

 

[Guest123]

As a true Scot I wear nothing but fresh air under my kilt! Just keep me miles away from any fan heaters or I'll scare the hell out of your guests.

 

[desrob]

i like plastic,pushfits,....flexi's,they all have a place, but where possible copper is my preferance,and i'm sure the punter does too.

 

[Mike Jackson]

Right firstly I've got to complain, there's only room for one fat bearded bloke on this forum and that's me so hands off my title Claire/Brian.

Secondly on the subject of flexis, I fitted a combi for my sister in law some years ago and a week later her kitchen ceiling came down. Her hubby had fitted the bathroom using flexis and the hot one to the bath had burst.

If a tap comes with flexis I'll use them but I won't buy flexis to use for any other taps. I also throw the fibre washers away that come with tap conns and use the nylon ones that you can buy, they're a lot more robust and if you get an awkward one the don't split like the fibre ones.

If I have a really awkward bath filler or mixer to connect I'll use the Speedfit tap connectors that you can hand tighten as a deck filler can't swivel like taps.

 

[WaterTight]

Good post Watertight. May I suggest that you bend a supply of usable offsets suitable for a number of applications and keep these in your van as I do. Most wash basins can use a 60mm offset and if you bend a few right angles as well and some crossovers, you will have a ready made supply that will do for most jobs. You'll feel more satisfied with your work too. Use any medium size cuttings left over from jobs, it saves a lot of time and if you make these up in your spare time, it can actually become an enjoyable "chore" as well as good practice.

Solder/pre-compress any tap adaptors before connecting to the basin and you'll soon be flying through using copper as your preference.

To be honest I'm probably better at bending than I realise. I've had an electronic pipe freezer for over a year now and 9 times out of 10 bend offsets to adjust the rads pipework when changing to a modern sized rad as I think it looks better than extensions. And realised when thinking about the last job that for a while now I've been pulling the right offset first time and by eye. And that's under pressure, with a popcicle standing between Mrs Smith's cream carpets and a lake of dirty water.

Ok you guys have won a convert. I will begin to try and use copper.

Damn it, I just re-stocked though. Anyone want to buy £75 worth of flexi's?

 

[stevetheplumber]

.....I've seen too many of them burst especially the cheap imported ones to place any confidence in them at all. One was on the counter in PTS today being returned as it had burst and had a quarter inch gash down the middle of it. I've seen perfectly installed ones with no kinks, twists or strains of any kinds burst for no apparent reason. At the end of the day they are basically a rubber hose covered in braid.

I now only use copper and having come through and used the Speedfit renaissance, I have a sense of pride with my work with copper and work completed with my bending machine. I can bend an offset very quickly and know that it won't burst either.

I'm not in any way making a dig at those who use flexis and plastic plumbing, for everyone is entitled to have their own preference, but in my opinion copper and soldered fittings or Kuterlite compression fittings will outlast any plastic installation and look far more professional.

If i send you my address could you send me all the flexis you remove from taps please

 

[stevetheplumber]

the space hasnt changed kirk but no one ever melted a cast iron bath with a blow lanp

 

[Guest123]

If i send you my address could you send me all the flexis you remove from taps please

Why would I want to remove them? I just do not install them. They are not allowed in most of the public buildings I work in due to health risks. I'll send you a few with built in Legionnares disease at no extra charge.

 

[Agrafagr]

- respect

my respect to you ))

 

[JCplumb]

I've just had a thought.
I use flexis when on jobs, but I don't use them at home. I've never really thought about it before.
Spose it's a time thing, in the back of my mind I'd rather use copper everywhere but if I can get in and out of a job quicker I will.
Feel a bit guilty now...

 

[WaterTight]

That's what I was talking about when I said the opnions we hold which we want to hold should be viewed with the most suspicion. It's one of the basic foundations of logical thinking but is not at all intuitive so you need to force yourself to do it.

Before you ever argue any position, ask yourself if you want to believe it because it's wholly true or because, to some extent, it makes your life easier, makes you money, sits with your established world view, pre-existing opinions, sides with your biases...etc...

It can of course do both. But always be suspicious of self-interest. Don't let it inform opinion without reason behind it.

I#m pretty sure, the more I think about it, that the reason I use flexi's is because it's quicker and more lucrative than copper. It is only secondarily because I imagine they're safe and reliable. And that is it. I may announce that they're fine and everyone uses them these days to myself whilst mumbling my rehearsed potential conversations with the customer while still half posted under a bath, but the truth is I'm doing so to silence a niggle.

Only the fool ignoreth the niggle.

 

[lbp plg & htg]

Used for years and never a problem - hang on there goes the phone?

 

[hasbean]

Here in Spain every appliance is connected by flexi's i've been here 16 years, I have 20 in my house, changed two only when I changed the kitchen tap.
We stopped using them , because I think the one 's in the uk were cheap and nasty.I first used Acorn ( you have to old to remember that) in 1983
We were installing shower cubicles in hotels with the mixer at the back, there no way that you do it in copper and we were on a price, and as far as I know there was never a problem with the plastic.
As friend owned the hotel group.I would have told.

 

[hasbean]

You can't beat copper, but plastic has it's place.The reason that plastic gets slated is that it is badly installed, in the uk outside MIlton Keynes looking at a new estate, the pipework was rubbish, no attempt to straighten pipework,waste pipes running backward and all on show.the trade has gone down hill bring the 4 years learning .:83:

 

[SimonG]

It's always the same with this topic, if you use flexi's your not a 'proper' plumber.

Well what a load of bull.

Fine, you don't use flexi's, good for you.

Personally, I use flexi's and I do it in copper as well, all depends on the job, the price and the access.

It's just a shame that this topic always ends up pointing fingers. It's not what we come on here for.

Rant over.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

.....I've seen too many of them burst especially the cheap imported ones to place any confidence in them at all. One was on the counter in PTS today being returned as it had burst and had a quarter inch gash down the middle of it. I've seen perfectly installed ones with no kinks, twists or strains of any kinds burst for no apparent reason. At the end of the day they are basically a rubber hose covered in braid.

I now only use copper and having come through and used the Speedfit renaissance, I have a sense of pride with my work with copper and work completed with my bending machine. I can bend an offset very quickly and know that it won't burst either.

I'm not in any way making a dig at those who use flexis and plastic plumbing, for everyone is entitled to have their own preference, but in my opinion copper and soldered fittings or Kuterlite compression fittings will outlast any plastic installation and look far more professional.

same here on new install , if its a change taps def flexi for me

 

[Guest123]

It's always the same with this topic, if you use flexi's your not a 'proper' plumber.

Well what a load of bull.

Fine, you don't use flexi's, good for you.

Personally, I use flexi's and I do it in copper as well, all depends on the job, the price and the access.

It's just a shame that this topic always ends up pointing fingers. It's not what we come on here for.

Rant over.

I never said that and never even implied that. If you read my earlier post I wrote:

Not snobbery or the "we're better than you coz we use copper and you dont". My post is not slating plastics and flexis it's my opinion and I have seen too many failures to feel confident about using them. If you like using plastic and flexis, then ok that is your preference.

 

[SimonG]

I never said that and never even implied that. If you read my earlier post I wrote:

Not snobbery or the "we're better than you coz we use copper and you dont". My post is not slating plastics and flexis it's my opinion and I have seen too many failures to feel confident about using them. If you like using plastic and flexis, then ok that is your preference.

If you read my post again you will see that I did not say that yourself had implied anything. In fact i did not quote from any individual post.

My complaint comes from the general tone within the thread.


I'll just agree to disagree, after all would be boring if everybody had the same ideas

 

[Guest123]

I know that Simon, you were not getting at me personally. This topic will always start a heated debate amongst some of the forum members. Debate and individual opinions make this a good forum as these are generally not stifled or controlled to suit any particular viewpoint, which is not often the case in other forums I am on.

Let's all stay flexi about this eh?

 

[SimonG]

I know that Simon, you were not getting at me personally. This topic will always start a heated debate amongst some of the forum members. Debate and individual opinions make this a good forum as these are generally not stifled or controlled to suit any particular viewpoint, which is not often the case in other forums I am on.

Let's all stay flexi about this eh?

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