Can you sign off an installation done by a non-GSR plumber?

[Masood]

Hopefully this will put that old chestnut to bed once and for all:

Gas engineer fined after commissioning illegal gas work - Installer OnlineInstaller Online

NO!!!!!

 

[thompsonbrown]

I know a hell of a lot of guys who do do it. Might be worth showing them this. Good post.

 

[bassmonster]

I've been asked many times to commission Boilers, I always decline.

 

[Riley]

I have to say I get probably two or three a week on at least three occasions the same guy has phoned me not realising he had contacted me already. Problem is some idiot will do it I just can't see why it's worth taking the risk If I make a mistake I've only got myself to blame

 

[newcastle phill]

I think the pertinent point is knowingly.
There is a very carefully crafted technical bullitin on this where in certain circumstances (no previous collusion with unregistered installer) it is acceptable and even encouraged to do so.


Their reasoning is they would rather know it was safe than left so....

 

[stevetheplumber]

if there hadnt been a defect on the work i wonder if it would have gone to court im still of the opinion that we all sign of someone elses work every time we do a landlords cert anyone here remove the boiler to check the fixings during a landlords cert? no unless it s your own work then you are declaring it safe when infact you dont know
new build site work is never started and completed by the same people sometimes not even by the same company

 

[stevetheplumber]

thinking about this there should be a category for commisioning systems with a fitted by persons unknown box to tick then gas safe should become involved in the task of tracing them its in the interests of gas safety that rouge installs are inspected

 

[bassmonster]

thinking about this there should be a category for commisioning systems with a fitted by persons unknown box to tick then gas safe should become involved in the task of tracing them its in the interests of gas safety that rouge installs are inspected

A good idea, yet, at the same time I can it will encourage more illegal installs

 

[newcastle phill]

Disagree. Simply a box to inform gas safe to possibly follow up and investigate with customer

 

[Masood]

im still of the opinion that we all sign of someone elses work every time we do a landlords cert

I see where you're coming from but the requirements for commissioning and compliance certificate are much more in-depth than a landlord cert. Obviously it wouldn't be practical to do a full recommission every year, but we take on trust that the commisioning engineer did it right, so we are doing mare "maintenance" checks.

 

[mooey]

Can t see the problem with it as long as its checked over properly whats the difference between that and doing a service.when you service a boiler you dont know if its been installed correctly until you look at it yourself.

 

[Riley]

Can t see the problem with it as long as its checked over properly whats the difference between that and doing a service.when you service a boiler you dont know if its been installed correctly until you look at it yourself.

it's a definite no no. When you service you don't scrutinise every single part of the installation for example is the gas pipe installed to standard where it disappears into the floor. I would assume there is nobody here that will go pulling up floorboards just to check the gas pipe run for example? Why not? Because you have to make a certain degree of assumption that the person who installed it knew what they were doing. If you are signing off someone else's work then you have no confirmation that everything has been installed to standard unless you demolish it and start again in which case what's the point

 

[spanner]

As above 102%. As Riley says. And guess if anything were to go wrong with a new installation Doing that it just means trouble. For me. I always make sure I'm on track. As to communicating I might have missed out on something myself, but at least i know I'll have piece of mind to have the task properly answered. As to being gas safe registered. It's not the "end of"! To me it's always a new beginning and keeping updated on a basis.
As to servicing, had a few bad starts here and only made me think again I'm learning here.
But a deffo no when or if it comes to that. I'd rather not be considered.
At the least is having to check and doing a let by tightness test with tiny untraceable leakage.
OR working with ALL appliances and not having enough due for undersized pipework.

 

[Riley]

I knew someone would come straight back with an argument like that. Showing once again that the public are not informed by the body ie Gas Safe

 

[rpm]

Can t see the problem with it as long as its checked over properly whats the difference between that and doing a service.when you service a boiler you dont know if its been installed correctly until you look at it yourself.

You can`t see the problem and I can`t see your gsr badge! Neither can I see the point in coming back to something from 2015 unless it concerns you directly.

 

[Alpha man]

You could do if you wanted to, but if it all goes **** up, the authorities will be coming your way?

 

[newcastle phill]

This was in last months gas rag. Gas lad got hammered big time

 

[mooey]

I d be happy to sign off work that has been done by someone else as long as I could see the whole installation and it passed all the tests in the mf instruction.A lot of people on here will have apprentice s that will run gas pipe work hang boilers for them pipe them ect there not gas safe registered its no different you trust them to do*it.if*I trust the person fitting it than I have no problem signing itoff.each*to there*own.RPM*I don t have to show my gsr badge to have an opinion on gas or deemed competent.

 

[Dotty]

I d be happy to sign off work that has been done by someone else as long as I could see the whole installation and it passed all the tests in the mf instruction.A lot of people on here will have apprentice s that will run gas pipe work hang boilers for them pipe them ect there not gas safe registered its no different you trust them to do*it.if*I trust the person fitting it than I have no problem signing itoff.each*to there*own.RPM*I don t have to show my gsr badge to have an opinion on gas or deemed competent.

Then you are a fool.

And yes you do to be deemed competent on this forum.

I cannot begin to believe that you are happy to spend thousands on training and registration to cover the backside of an illegal installer who cannot be bothered.

I hope you get caught.

 

[Chalked]

I d be happy to sign off work that has been done by someone else as long as I could see the whole installation and it passed all the tests in the mf instruction.A lot of people on here will have apprentice s that will run gas pipe work hang boilers for them pipe them ect there not gas safe registered its no different you trust them to do*it.if*I trust the person fitting it than I have no problem signing itoff.each*to there*own.RPM*I don t have to show my gsr badge to have an opinion on gas or deemed competent.

Did you see this.

Not worth doing.!

 

[joni os]

It is clearly wrong to sign off someone else's installation, but less clear what comprises an installation. Where a gas fitter is GSR but not G3, and plumber is G3 but not GSR a system with gas boiler and unvented cylinder has all the potential for a demarcation dispute not seen since the heydays of Cammell Laird.

 

[Riley]

I d be happy to sign off work that has been done by someone else as long as I could see the whole installation and it passed all the tests in the mf instruction.A lot of people on here will have apprentice s that will run gas pipe work hang boilers for them pipe them ect there not gas safe registered its no different you trust them to do*it.if*I trust the person fitting it than I have no problem signing itoff.each*to there*own.RPM*I don t have to show my gsr badge to have an opinion on gas or deemed competent.

i'm not really having a go but I think that's a very ignorant opinion. And just promotes DIY gaswork Which is something as engineers we should be doing our upmost to stamp out.

 

[IND_Nick]

Then you are a fool.

And yes you do to be deemed competent on this forum.

I cannot begin to believe that you are happy to spend thousands on training and registration to cover the backside of an illegal installer who cannot be bothered.

I hope you get caught.

Couldn't agree more and also why let someone get paid for work that should be completed by trained, registered individuals!

 

[stevetheplumber]

as the name implies gas safe's main aim is safety and by effectivly banning inspections of unregistered installs i feel they are not
scenario 1 lanlord has boiler fitted by joe blogs then moves in a family they ask for gas cert and landlord keeps putting them of but he is tryoing to get it done as he now realises his mistake before he can get it sorted both children in the family die of co poisoning net reusult two dead children landlord in a world of troubles and no one has earnt any money
scenario 2 same as above but some one qualified has checked the boiler thoroughly found fault issued a riddor net result two children alive gas engineer has had a pay day and landlord still in a world of trouble because gas safe/hse are investigating him and hopefully the original fitter
im much happier with the outcome of scenario 2 but it wont happen as gas safe dont follow up unless its handed to them on a plate or some one has died

 

[harrygashull]

Surely the best thing to do would be to make it illegal to service/comission unregistered work and then make it impossible for unregistered folk to get their hands on any gas parts without a GSR card?