Can you sign off an installation done by a non-GSR plumber?

[stevetheplumber]

Surely the best thing to do would be to make it illegal to service/comission unregistered work and then make it impossible for unregistered folk to get their hands on any gas parts without a GSR card?

weve had this argument before and as ray points out a big part of the heating market is housing associations and other companies that dont need registration as they dont fit the items

 

[mooey]

Then you are a fool.

And yes you do to be deemed competent on this forum.

I cannot begin to believe that you are happy to spend thousands on training and registration to cover the backside of an illegal installer who cannot be bothered.

I hope you get caught.

Sorry its taken a while to get back to you been busy signing boilers off 32 to be exact 60 pound a throw.
Well in eyes of the hsc and the LAW I am deemed competent and like people say on here if I get caught I will face the music.The biggest law breakers are gsr ripping off the tradesmen who pay there wages .all they are are legal con man/woman.maybe I am a fool but a richer one at that.who are the bigger fools anyway giving thousands to gsr so you can go earn a living

 

[joni os]

Got to be a wind up . Most people want £600 to put their name to a moody install.

 

[Ric2013]

Hang on. I've rented out my own house at times and no Corgi (as it was) or Gas Safe installer has ever asked who fitted the boiler.

So I fail to understand how Gas Safe means unregistered appliances are never inspected? Or is there some kind of national register against which all Landlord's Certificates are compared? If so, I can only assume my boiler was fitted by a registered installed because nobody has ever contacted me to say otherwise.

How does the system work?

 

[Unregistered]

Are you on drugs? You're not making any sense at all.

Gsr charge 360 odd pounds plus vat to register for the first time than a futher 150pounds for every year.if you lapse a year they than charge you the initial fee of 360 again. now if that not ripping trademan off what is.they are the legal crooks.when corgi was 1st set up it was free I don t begrudge paying some sort of fee but they are judt a greedy organisations.that are taking advantage of the people that keep them in a job.yes ee all have over heads and they do need to make a profit and they are making a massive one.if I can help someone out and make abit of money in the process I will its what gas safe are doing to us.i would never sign something off if I thought it was unsafe.if its against the law so be it most people break the law everyday one way or another

 

[Whyme]

ye the whole scheme started free many many moons ago. if ya dont like the fee get employed. and if ya dont like the regs fit bathrooms. booosh

 

[Chalked]

Mooney.

I can see your point why you do commision others installs.
But here's where what your doing is wrong!

But you have done the training, pay your registration, do the paperwork, pay insurance and have the knowledge to do your job in the gas industry. You are making the problem of unregistered installers worse, because £60 an install is cheap to get your job signed off. What's the point of being registered??

 

[Chalked]

American spelling,but hey ho!

 

[Riley]

Mooney.

I can see your point why you do commision others installs.
But here's where what your doing is wrong!

But you have done the training, pay your registration, do the paperwork, pay insurance and have the knowledge to do your job in the gas industry. You are making the problem of unregistered installers worse, because £60 an install is cheap to get your job signed off. What's the point of being registered??

I'm hoping it's just a wind up merchant. You'd hope that nobody had that blatant disregard for the rules that they'd be bragging about it.

 

[Dotty]

Getting close to that now. This guy, with his blatant disregard for the rules is beginning to irritate me.

 

[AlexGas]

I d be happy to sign off work that has been done by someone else as long as I could see the whole installation...

You won’t be able to check the whole installation without ripping the gas pipework off the wall!!!

Please tell me this, you have a nice house, pretty wife and pretty kids… Are you saying you let some mug into your house to install a gas boiler and then some other mug to sing it off!? YES or NO?

 

[Dotty]

Kind of academic now Alex. Unfortunately we don't have enough details to report him to GSR to investigate. Neither can we be seen to encourage him, by association or otherwise.

His account, after a very brief discussion in the Mod Cave, has been terminated.

 

[plumben]

I d be happy to sign off work that has been done by someone else as long as I could see the whole installation and it passed all the tests in the mf instruction.A lot of people on here will have apprentice s that will run gas pipe work hang boilers for them pipe them ect there not gas safe registered its no different you trust them to do*it.if*I trust the person fitting it than I have no problem signing itoff.each*to there*own.RPM*I don t have to show my gsr badge to have an opinion on gas or deemed competent.

Well you make a fair point there but theirs a difference, Im Not GSR but ive installed 30-40 boilers working under my old boss, but the difference is, i was taught how to install boilers and gas pipework by a professional and at the same time i was learning it all in college as well, also a trainee can only install gas appliances if there GSR person is standing behind them and checking all of the work they carry out

 

[stevetheplumber]

it's a definite no no. When you service you don't scrutinise every single part of the installation for example is the gas pipe installed to standard where it disappears into the floor. I would assume there is nobody here that will go pulling up floorboards just to check the gas pipe run for example? Why not? Because you have to make a certain degree of assumption that the person who installed it knew what they were doing. If you are signing off someone else's work then you have no confirmation that everything has been installed to standard unless you demolish it and start again in which case what's the point

so when you fit a new boiler you remove all the boards to inspect the existing gas run ?or do you ask for the bench mark for the twenty year old boiler your just about to rip out ? goes back to what i said we all certify other peoples work

 

[Riley]

so when you fit a new boiler you remove all the boards to inspect the existing gas run ?or do you ask for the bench mark for the twenty year old boiler your just about to rip out ? goes back to what i said we all certify other peoples work

If I was doing an install I would because you never know what the previous person has done in terms of pipe sizing. I've seen it where the whole run was in 15mm up to about a meter from the boiler when it was upsized to 22mm then comically back to 15mm to go n the boilers gas fitting

 

[newcastle phill]

I had one just like that the other day.
22 through the worktop into boiler.
Come the day of the install. Pull the cupboards out and 15mm behind backs and along and under floor onto the original 22mm line.
Had to up size it all to 22mm except about 18 inches i couldnt get too. Due to brand new flooring.
Fortunately all working pressures were fine at conclusion but deffo would not have been.

 

[Leezygeezer]

I have been asked many times, I usually say yes, it's £600. When asked why it's so much I tell them that I become responsible for the whole installation and I need to check absolutely everything about it.

Not had any takers so far

 

[Leezygeezer]

Haha, more like a couple of cans of d & b and fish and chips, prices have gone up a bit you know

 

[Pssst]

I can remember the days when Gas Safe didnt exist and there was no certification procedure. I dont have boilers on my ticket at the moment but have plenty of experience under my belt and wouldnt think twice about fitting/replacing my own.

 

[Gary80gas]

Ive read the thread and still no clearer, I have never done it, but if I were to sign off an unregistered engineers work this would have to be against the regs. They have still worked on a gas appliance illegally and I would be covering condoning this and undermining my own registration.

 

[lame plumber]

Ive read the thread and still no clearer, I have never done it, but if I were to sign off an unregistered engineers work this would have to be against the regs. They have still worked on a gas appliance illegally and I would be covering condoning this and undermining my own registration.

if you carry out all the works required in the tb laying down the actions required, you wouldnt be seen to be condoning an illegal install, as you would have completely inspected all the gas lines replacing any you are unhappy with, and ensured that all the system meets the regs. To do this takes time and money, so you may well be having to charge the customer a fair amount of money to achieve a safe and functioning system. You will also have to ensure the plumbing is also correct and upto building regs standards as your going to be the one responsible for it in future, ie a year as you are undertaking to warranty this system now. So if you are doing all this and taking on the responsibility, you may well be looking at charging anywhere from £600 to over £1000 for your labour and any parts required. If you have done all of this and been paid the sums mentioned, you are hardly condoning illegal workers, its only if you go and sign off the paperwork for £50 you are leaving yourself open to gas safe chasing your tail down the line

 

[Gary80gas]

Id want to take it off the wall and start from scratch and that would cost more then £50. Ive been approached with customers saying our plumbers gone sick will you come and finish it, im too busy to get involved with a mess.

 

[Ted808]

I've had one last week, the guy can't get hold of the installer, after an combi-combi relacement - (to be fair he said he did check him out- has a wedsite and that,) but hasn't answered his phone for weeks. Actually cust was ringing cuz boiler pressure kept goin up- so i went and had a look.. behold the old filling loop behind the cupboard was letting-by, so poor guy was bleeding his rads every day about a litre!!

Boiler is not registered- I checked for him... NOW WHAT?

 

[newcastle phill]

Advise customer and dont concern yourself.
Its not your problem to resolve imho

 

[gassed up]

I thought that the homeowner can pay the council b regs dept to sign it off, so I would imagine that they will just commission a gs engineer to do it. I wonder if anyone on here has been asked by the council to do one and if so what they did.