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DIY stores justify selling gas fittings by saying that genuine tradespeople buy from them.As opposed to plumbers merchants.
Hmm!
Same old thing, you can buy any kind of knife you like if your over about 16. No harm in that It depends what you do with it afterwards that can be harmful.
Anyone should be able to buy gas fittings anywhere, it is what they do with them that makes the difference. Its a bit like buying Aspirins in a chemist. Should they only be supplied to health professionals? Take enough of many of the medicines on sale in chemists and you can kill yourself and other people just as easily as blowing yourself up or poisoning people with gas.
Anyway if people want to do their own gas fitting they probably will regardless of the law, its illegal to speed but how many do?
Its the people you need to teach about the dangers not ban or restrict gas material sales.
Hmm!
Same old thing, you can buy any kind of knife you like if your over about 16. No harm in that It depends what you do with it afterwards that can be harmful.
Anyone should be able to buy gas fittings anywhere, it is what they do with them that makes the difference. Its a bit like buying Aspirins in a chemist. Should they only be supplied to health professionals? Take enough of many of the medicines on sale in chemists and you can kill yourself and other people just as easily as blowing yourself up or poisoning people with gas.
Anyway if people want to do their own gas fitting they probably will regardless of the law, its illegal to speed but how many do?
Its the people you need to teach about the dangers not ban or restrict gas material sales.
Totally disagree, and your analogies are wrong! Aspirin are not a controlled substance, but something like clinical grade heroin is. Can anyone walk into a chemists and buy that heroin? No. The reason is that it needs to be prescribed by a competent person.
If gas works can only be done by a competent person, and there are regulations in place to define what a competent person is, then there's no reason a non-competent person should be able to buy those things. It's not just about protecting people from themselves (the DIY'er who might think they can install their own gas boiler) but also unsuspecting people from dodgy cowboys.
The problem I see is that the definition of competent is open to interpretation in court and isn't as simple as 'is on the gas safe register'. If it was that simple then anyone not on the register shouldn't have a need to buy those things.
I totally agree, which is why my last sentence was:for example a family friend of mine worked in gas for 50 years, he taught at Bg and helped set up acops and ACS, his acs is out of date, is he competent?
"the definition of competent is open to interpretation in court and isn't as simple as 'is on the gas safe register'. If it was that simple then anyone not on the register shouldn't have a need to buy those things."
Ah, there's the problem 🙂If people are educated to the proper use of gas they probably will not DIY unless competent in their own homes.
Aspirin can kill its a mistake to think it can't, Heroin is class A but not addictive funnily enough.
Are we to see electrical Kitchen appliance sales restricted to Part P sparks only?
Competence has not been tested that it is true, but I doubt any court would say an ex Gas fitter was incompetent.
If people are educated to the proper use of gas they probably will not DIY unless competent in their own homes.
Lets be honest you do not get many people wanting to fly aeroplanes without training they know its dangerous.
There's a commonly held belief that pure heroin isn't addictive, and it is only once it hits the streets and has other stuff mixed in that it becomes nasty. This isn't true but heroin isn't the 'one hit and you're hooked' kind of drug it is often made out to be.please explain
Hi there looking for a bit of advice spent many years working for a heating company and had relevant gas qualifications to do my job CCN1 CEN1. For other reasons i retrained as an electrical engineer. Now obviously my qualifications have run out and I think only my CCN1 is in date.
What I am trying to ask is I want to put a combi boiler in my own home, I believe I am more than compotent to do so. just wondering how go about getting someone to commison it, will that need done? Or could that be part of a service. I am having nightmares over a jobsworth coming round and slating my work!!
I'm pretty wise to fitting a boiler and it's a pretty simple job job with 22mm gas supply, waste for condensate, flue hole already there. so obviously moneys tight and want to do it myself!
Anyone fancy keeping me right and telling me what I can and can't do. sorry if this has been asked a million times before!
the regs state you can install if competent to do so, if you feel you are competent and can justify yourself in court if the need arises then make your choice
Hi there looking for a bit of advice spent many years working for a heating company and had relevant gas qualifications to do my job CCN1 CEN1. For other reasons i retrained as an electrical engineer. Now obviously my qualifications have run out and I think only my CCN1 is in date.
What I am trying to ask is I want to put a combi boiler in my own home, I believe I am more than compotent to do so. just wondering how go about getting someone to commison it, will that need done? Or could that be part of a service. I am having nightmares over a jobsworth coming round and slating my work!!
I'm pretty wise to fitting a boiler and it's a pretty simple job job with 22mm gas supply, waste for condensate, flue hole already there. so obviously moneys tight and want to do it myself!
Anyone fancy keeping me right and telling me what I can and can't do. sorry if this has been asked a million times before!
This is not the full story. The regs do state if you are competent, from the Gas Regs...
PART B 3. (1) No Person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
BUT it goes on to say
PART B 3 (3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above ... is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the health and saftey executive for the purposes of this paragraph.
To me, that's saying you have to be fully registered with gas safe (a way of proving you are in that class of persons approved) and have all other relevant qualifications (Part P, Part L, CENWAT, CPA1 [from April 2012 I believe?] (which ever ones you need for the job), etc) and have good practical experience.
I think you would have a hard time in court saying that you feel competent!
Just be careful you don't drop yourself in it & get a gas safe engineer in to do the work.
Thanks
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